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Drap d'Or

This fig was very nice this year. 
It is also known as Royal Vineyard.  Very sweet with a unique rich taste.  It is one of my candidates for growing in ground.
Anyone else growing this fig? 
Suggestions and comments welcome.

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I'm growing one as Royal Vineyard/ Granthams Royal. It's young so there are no figs yet but I hope that it makes at least one of its famous brebas next year. 

I am not growing this one. Looks very rich in flavor a trate that is most sought out for in my likings. Hope it does well in ground. Wish i would have been more selective for my in ground trees.

So that's what it looks like.  Looks delicious.  For some reason I must have had the name mixed up with another that was green.

Just to clarify, is this the breba only one?

Are Royal Vineyard and Grantham's Royal the same?

  I thought Royal Vineyard was released from the Royal Gardens in England and Grantham's Royal was someone's fig out west that was unknown and given the name Grantham's Royal by a forum member, the moderator possibly?

  I have secured both, but have grown neither yet. I will see when I grow them. I understand the importance of lineage and do not remember this one exactly.

  Thanks for any help, Mike

Thanks all!  Great to see some interest in this fig!

@Mara, Grantham's Royal is a san pedro fig said to be one of the best black breba fig producers.  I am getting Grantham's Royal and can't wait to see for myself.

@Richie, With my cold winters I have limited capacity so can only handle x figs.  X is getting smaller every year.

@Don, All the figs produced have been main crop.

@Mike, I don't know.   The reason I posted this fig is to clarify this same question! 

In addition to Royal Vineyard and Grantham's Royal I have also heard some say that Drap d'Or is the same as Doree and Goutte d'Or and also very similar to Pied de Boeuf.

This fig is described in Hilgardia but even back then it seems Condit was confused.  It was included as a San Pedro type but he talks about a main crop without caprification.  It was popular in France but wasn't included in the French fig publications. 
A Drap D'Or was grown in a California nursery in 1890s imported from England.   "Royal Vineyard was described and illustrated in color by Barron (1871) as a new fig of sterling merit, “one of the very finest figs yet brought into cultivation.”"..lol  

Drap d'Or has been around for quite a while but it sounds to me that the figs mentioned are not the same except maybe Royal Vineyard which is a synonym. 

Most important to me is the fig is healthy, no signs of FMD, very nice tasting and productive. 

Still interested to hear from people growing this fig.

Grantham's Royal is definitely not Drap D'or. There's also a Doree that many growers in our community have that is also different from GR & Drap. It has long leaves like Dalmatie or LDA. The rest is very confusing, haha. I bet there's quite a few versions of each floating around.

My two cents worth:

I have a "Royal Vineyard" (aka Drap d'Or) from a Wisconsin source (2010).  It is in a very large pot and attempted to set its first, a few Main crop Figs this year but all have fallen while other Main crop Figs that won't ripen are still hanging on the trees.  Its leaves are somewhat similar to those in Pino's post.

I have a "Grantham's Royal" from a local source (2012) and a "Dauphine" from a NY source (2012) who got his parent plant from UC Davis.  The leaves of "Grantham's Royal" and "Dauphine" do look distinctly similar with coarsely crenate margins, but don't match my "Royal Vineyard".  Some prior posts on this Forum have speculated that "Grantham's Royal" and "Dauphine" are the same variety by different names.  It will be a few more years before I can compare Brebas of these two varieties.  And maybe global warming of 3-5° C before I can compare Main crop Figs of the two here in the Pacific Northwet ;)

To add to the confusion, Malli's Genetic Fingerprinting Study (FigLink 1110) of the UC Davis Collection shows a match between their "Drap d'Or" and "Archipel", the first being a San Pedro type and the latter being a Common type!  The study also lists "Lampeira" and "Adriatic" as genetic matches, again the first being a San Pedro type and the latter being a Common type.  There are several other instances of Figs in the UC Davis Collection of distinctly different varieties per Condit's "Fig Varieties: A Monograph" (available as a downloadable PDF from my website) that Malli's study lists as matches.  Malli's study clearly indicates to me that a number of Figs in the UC Davis Collection are mislabeled!

Since Genetic Fingerprinting is possibly the most reliable method of determining if varieties match each other, it will take comparing the results of several such studies of collections in other countries that have not traded material between themselves to determine if there is actually a match for given named Cultivars.  Even that won't be definitive as it is highly likely that every major Fig Collection contains mislabeled varieties.  I'm sure my collection of ±40 varieties (about 8 of which are known or suspected matches) also contains mislabeled varieties.

Aah, the Joy of Fig ID ;)

kiwibob,   Seattle

Hi Pino,
"drap d'or" - The name is in French, but that strain is not known here in my corner of the woods.
Your "drap d'or" is not dorée / Goutte d'or.
Dorée is in the Brunswick family. So a light brownish/honeyish fig when ripe.
Funny, the leaves of your tree look like the ones of my Jannot a Desert King alike. But the color of the fruit is totally different.

The leaves of your tree don't resemble anything I know at the moment.


Thanks for all the input!

Suffice it to say that this fig is not dorée / Goutte d'or or Grantham's Royal.  Also it sounds to me like Royal Vineyard is a different fig and not a synonym.

The fig was not grown in France so my wild guess (as per Hilgardia/Eisen) is that the French name came to be since it was praised by; "French confectioners as one of the best figs for crystallized and glacé fruit"

Consolation for me is that Drap d'Or is a nice fig and unique as far as leaves and taste!

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Based on your Description, it sounds much more delicious than my Dorée. So far I have not been impressed with my Dorée's performance. And I know for sure that the Pied de Boeuf is a diffrent fig that what you're showing here. If I recall correctly, the Pied de Boeuf is a bell shaped fig that has brownish and yellow colors.

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Based on your Description, it sounds much more delicious than my Dorée. So far I have not been impressed with my Dorée's performance. And I know for sure that the Pied de Boeuf is a diffrent fig that what you're showing here. If I recall correctly, the Pied de Boeuf is a bell shaped fig that has brownish and yellow colors.


Sas,

How would you compare your Doree to Brunswick? I know people assume because of leaf structure/fruit shape & color.

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Based on your Description, it sounds much more delicious than my Dorée. So far I have not been impressed with my Dorée's performance. And I know for sure that the Pied de Boeuf is a diffrent fig that what you're showing here. If I recall correctly, the Pied de Boeuf is a bell shaped fig that has brownish and yellow colors.
Thanks Sas!

Does Dorée's performance lack in productivity?  Does it tend to split?

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From memory, it might not be suitable for container growing as it was bland , mushy and lacks productivity so far.
I have to be fair. It is sitting in a five gallon container, most likely rootbound by now and not getting the attention that some of my other figs get at this point.
If any changes, I will let you know.

Thanks Sas!

Drap d' Or reminds me of Peter's Honey. the skin texture and juiciness are so similar. 
bet it could grow great in Texas?    

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Pino, Here's what I've been experiencing with my potted figs.

The results are dramatically different from one season to the next.
1) I might get a super tasty fig or crop after getting a disappointing season the previous year.
2) Amount of figs produced is all over the place from one season to the next, and in some cases reverts to zero.
3) The amount of water when in pot definitely dilutes the flavor in many cases.
4) Ripening dates are not fixed.
5) The trees that are getting watered by hand arbitrarily are non performers, most likely due to the variable and unpredictable amount of water received by the trees.
6) Some touted varieties still haven't produced after four seasons.
7) Some varieties which were reported as bland in some other locations have been super tasty when sbjected to the TX heat.

From all of this, I must conclude that any variety could do great in hot weather and especially if planted in ground and given the right amounts of water and food.
When it comes to amount of water given, varieties should be treated differently. Some require more water than others when in pot, while some require less.
My ultimate goal is to have most of my trees in ground and if out if space let the rest go (this is hard) and keep very few in pots.
So having said that it has been extremely difficult for me to judge if a variety is better than others as most likely each has its own needs.
As to which ones I would keep in pot to take with me wherever I go, the list is being prepared ....
As an example, Preto is on that list, but should I move North, I'm not sure if I could expect similar results from my favorite trees.
A couple of years ago, I got a Grise Olivette from someone in Chicago if I remember correctly. When I asked, they did not think of it as something special. I knew better, in the right zone this fig is very special. If you find a variety that does well where you are treasure it and no one could tell you until you try growing it.

As for Peter's Honey, I tried growing it twice and lost it. I might have it under a different name, but since I currently have my hands full, I'm trying to pass on adding new varieties.
Even when trying "Not" to add new varieties, I find myself rooting new ones each winter. This winter I'm rooting less than a dozen varieties which is an accomplishment by itself :)








I read that Dauphine and Grantham's Royal were grown side by side and found to be the same. I'm not certain if a side by side of Grise de Tarascon and Dauphine has been made, as it is another San Pedro and supposed to be synonymous.

@Sas thanks for sharing your growing expiernece!

@Devin here are a couple of photos of my Dauphine. 
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IMO many fig synonyms come to be when people hastily assume that figs are identical based only on fig and sometimes leaf photos.  
Photos are definitely an asset in identifying figs but they don't tell the whole story.  
Also need to also consider the taste, growth habits, heath of the plant and so many other factors. 
Someday full DNA testing for figs will come to be and my guess is we will find there are thousands and thousands of ficus carica cultivars in circulation.  Many given the same name because they look similar and some called by multiple names. 

Since no one can hope to grow them all it is best to find a manageable number of nice figs that grow well for you and that you enjoy eating.

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