@Beyondista ...I mentioned that ebay has processes in place that actually aid and abet these scammers? One of the frustrating things about eBay is that you can only leave negative reviews about a seller if you don't seek a refund claim. ebay always says, 'Hey, if you are not happy, we will help you resolve the problem with the seller... They do... So you file a claim, ebay contacts the seller and the seller says "fine, send me back the crap i sent you and i will refund you the money". If you do, you get your money and are then barred by ebay from leaving negative comments / rating against the seller and they remove any that you may have previously left. If, on the other hand, you are one of the folks that throw away moldy, decaying cuttings that stink up the area then you have nothing to return to the scammer. The scammer then says to ebay "hey i will refund with a return but no refunds if no returns" and you know what... eBay agrees... Ebay then finds against your claim and you are again barred from leaving negative comments / ratings against the seller... The only negatives that these scammers get are in the few cases where people eat their losses, do not file a claim for a refund and then take the time to post a negative against the scammer. The end result is that most of these hoods manage, with ebay's help, to retain mid 90's and above satisfaction ratings... You cant provide feedback if you don't buy and if you buy and don't want to eat your decayed cuttings, you can't leave negative ratings. Now I did mention that these folks are successful. The analysis that was done suggested that these scammers were in some cases making hundreds of sales of each variety they were selling. Imagine that ebay actually believes that a single auction can account for a hundred sales of a cutting and that it is legitimate... Anyone on this forum have the ability to sell 100 packages of cuttings of a single variety? The total dollar values of these sales is, in my minds eye, staggering. You would think that in some way, these folks would get stopped. They do not. The current number of scammer auctions and immediate sales listing on eBay today is amazing and has actually been growing recently. They have also started to mimic the presentation methodology used by trusted sellers and in many cases, actually steal old sales photos (and forum photos) and use them... Lastly, there have been indications that some of these scammers are joining the various forums, setting up identities and acting as moles to benefit their criminal activity. Buyer beware... do your research and buy from trusted eBay sources and forum members....