I bought 2 HC's over the the years from edible landscaping, and although I love the nursery disposed of them after 5 years. Too slow to get fruit and not the best quality in my opinion. I did pick up one from a forum member that he got from paradise nursery and am extremely impressed with it. Fantastic rooter, 2 of my cuttings gave me fruit the 1st year and the fruit was excellent, and thats for a first year plant! On the other hand, the vdb I got from edible landscaping is one of my top 3 cultivars, especially last year.