congatom
1424885132
Posted 1425050992
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I don't about the Japanese fig breeding other than someone chimed in here and mentioned that there is a paper or some notes available that say the Japanese are using GA3 with their fig. The person even listed a GA3 concentration! You fig people just HAD NO CLUE ABOUT FEMINIZED SEED PRODUCTION BECAUSE YOU THINK FEMALE EDIBLE FIG IS GYNODIOECIOUS AND THAT'S A BAD DESCRIPTION!!! ALL FIG ARE HERMIES EVEN IF THEY HAVE NO MALE FLOWER PARTS VISIBLE!!! THEY ARE ALL HERMIES AND HAVE THE DNA FOR MALE FLOWER PARTS.....THE RESULTING POLLEN IS ALL ga+ AND gaP .....The persistence is passed as P is most-likely NOT LETHAL IN FEMINIZED POLLEN! The Japanese have clued in on this...NO SURPRISE....The stoner Cannabis breeders are using this technique, but the fig breeders are in the 'FIG DALK AGES' inn part because fig breeders are still stuck on the notion that female edible fig is Gynodioecious and never thought to challenge that notion and look to see what they are doing in other related crops like Cannabis! Cannabis was in Moracea, before the taxonomy 'splitters' made the Cannabis family of plants with hop and hemp. But fig and Cannabis ARE RELATED and BOTH ARE HERMIES 100% across the board and that leaves open the possibility of making feminized pollen for S1 seed production as 100 female fig is SHHHH......REALLY PURE PISTILLATE HERMAPHRODITE!!! THE FIG PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS....SHHHH....:) Come on fig breeders!
congatom
1424885132
Posted 1425051299
Reply with quote #102
I don't think I made any more mistakes in my Punnett square analysis with this feminized fig stuff....But when you take the males out of the breeding equation....you are doing something right.....and it looks like they are doing it or attempting it in Japan.....I came on here to fill you in about fig being all hermie and YOU PEOPLE gave me the SLAM DUNK INFO on the Japanese and GA3....I didn't know about that part off the bat....But with that information....Yeah, I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING OR ATTEMPTING, YOU FIG PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE AND THAT'S WHY I AM FILLING YOU IN! YOU NEED THAT GA3 PAPER IF IT IS AVAILABLE AND IT MOST-LIKELY IS AVAILABLE...BUT IN ANY CASE, SOME OF YOU HAVE THE GA3 CONCENTRATION THEY USED AS SOMEONE POSTED HERE AND I SAW IT! SO GIVE IT YOUR BEST COLLEGE EFFORT THEIR FIG BREEDERS!!! Evidence suggests, this may work, give it a shot!
congatom
1424885132
Posted 1425051410
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Again, sorry about the few math errors, but tend to miss things and go back and catch them. But the mistakes I made are minor and DO NOT ALTER MY POSITION AT ALL!!! S1 in fig appears to be the way to go IF viable feminized pollen can be produced in the Breba and its looks like this is the case....
congatom
1424885132
Posted 1425058013
Reply with quote #104
I doubt that GA3 feminized pollen to be P allele lethal. I hypothesize again, that edible female fig are pure pistillate hermaphrodites and pistillate hermaphrodites and there is NO APOMIXIS...The occasional female seed is the mother plant selfing herself with gaP/ga+ pollen and getting around the egg P lethal problem and ensuring reproductive success as ALL FIG ARE HERMAPHRODITE!
congatom
1424885132
Posted 1425058118
Reply with quote #105
So is the feminized pollen viable and does it have the P allele? My guess is yes on both accounts given landrace fig can self on occasion...Like the seeds I am getting on eBay....
congatom
1424885132
Posted 1425058243
Reply with quote #106
My guess is the feminized pollen is not P lethal and that is the landrace fig way to ensure reproductive success....These plants are all hermie and selection has just altered that hermaphrodite bell curve as edible female fig is point of selection!
mizuyari
1360889009
Posted 1425078882
Reply with quote #107
Hello, congatom,http://www.j-tokkyo.com/2005/A01H/JP2005-095054.shtml
GregMartin
1370378358
Posted 1425082602
Reply with quote #108
Thank you Mizuyari! Very much appreciated.
mizuyari
1360889009
Posted 1425083750
Reply with quote #109
Hello, GregMartin,
Let_alone_this_year_also
1377915674
Posted 1425084718
Reply with quote #110
Mizuyari,
aphahn
1354927274
Posted 1425096155
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Thank you Mizuyari!
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drphil69
1390113240
Posted 1425105588
Reply with quote #112
Very interesting, but why go to all this trouble? There are hundreds of delicious varieties that can be started from cuttings that will produce figs within 1 or 2 years.
GregMartin
1370378358
Posted 1425122915
Reply with quote #113
Phil, that's true and folks should enjoy those varieties that exist. But breeding brings the potential to bring out more traits that are desired. Figs that grow in wetter soil? Figs that produce better in cool short seasons? Figs that can survive and thrive in zone 5? Figs that grow true from seed so that they can be cheaply shipped around the world without fear of transmitting pests? For those who have the right conditions figs are pretty perfect, for everyone else breeding offers the potential for reduced work and healthier plants.
hoosierbanana
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Posted 1425130867
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Domo arigato Mizuyari!
