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Fig Thief. Can You ID Footprint?

Thanks for all your attempts at ID.  That ammonia seems to be working well, and it will be refreshed tonight.  Whatever climbed the tree was kinda heavy.  The tree now leans a little. 

I"m a huge fan of ammonia soaked rags and plan to incorporate them more whenever there is critter damage.

The only way we'll know what did this is for JD to trap it, and he just got home from fishing.  May take a few days.  LOL!  BUT I have my ammonia!

Suzi

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Originally Posted by DesertDance
Thanks for all your attempts at ID.  That ammonia seems to be working well, and it will be refreshed tonight.  Whatever climbed the tree was kinda heavy.  The tree now leans a little. 

I"m a huge fan of ammonia soaked rags and plan to incorporate them more whenever there is critter damage.

The only way we'll know what did this is for JD to trap it, and he just got home from fishing.  May take a few days.  LOL!  BUT I have my ammonia!

Suzi
~get him ~

I agree with the comments about it being a possum. I have had exactly the same thing happen to about 7 or 8 figs that I had in little bags. Smashed chewed up fig in a damaged muddy bag, or virtually no fig left inside with the bag still tied. Even got a little hand/paw print almost exactly like yours on a wheelbarrow near the fig tree. We thought it was a raccoon too. But I found possums in the tree a few nights later.


Cliff H.

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Originally Posted by CliffH
I agree with the comments about it being a possum. I have had exactly the same thing happen to about 7 or 8 figs that I had in little bags. Smashed chewed up fig in a damaged muddy bag, or virtually no fig left inside with the bag still tied. Even got a little hand/paw print almost exactly like yours on a wheelbarrow near the fig tree. We thought it was a raccoon too. But I found possums in the tree a few nights later.


Cliff H.

~THE BOX TRAP WORKS SAME ON POSSUM JUST PUT ANYTHING IN THERE HE WILL GO IN ,THEN YOU CAN GET RID OF HIM ~

Would Neem oil put enough of a bad taste of the figs to deter rodents?  Its not as harsh as ammonia, but it still unpleasant.  I agree with whomever said a raccoon would have been able to remove the fig from its cover.

An opossum's thumb sticks out almost 90 degrees to the hand. I don't see this in the print.

Thanks for this conversation.  Something to look forward to, when my new little fig tree starts to bear fruit.  I know we have raccoons in the neighborhood, even though we're in New York City.  I saw two in my back yard a couple of years ago...had a party out there and knocked over my bird feeder and bird bath.  I can only imagine how much they'd like to snag some yummy figs.  I'll keep the ammonia strategy in mind.

Do you have to bag all your fruit?  That seems like such a hassle.  But, I guess you have to do what is necessary to salvage some figs for yourself.  Sheesh.

Good luck with deterring your critters.

Thanks for posting the great chart of footprints.  That's very helpful.

:-)

We keep the ammonia refreshed nightly, and the critter has not been back.  Tree is loaded with ripening figs.  JD thinks why bag?  Critters aren't going near that ammonia.  I just bag because of birds.  They just fly in, perch and don't really sniff the ammonia.  That stuff is for climbers.

Another option for finding tracks is to sift flour on the ground around your trees.  Whatever steps in that flour will leave prints.  Then you can use the chart for ID.

Suzi

Tooth marks through the bag is opossum, raccoons are grabby. Just go find it sleeping in the day and scare it real good so it faints and then keep it as a pet ;)

Suzi, I blame it on Rocky Racoon :-)! And yes, take any ripe or clise to ripe fig before critters do!

Well, we are back to square one, and since whatever it is has decided that it can endure a little amonia, will NOT venture into the trap, we will resort to Dennis' potion. 

New prints on the window shelf 2 days ago
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On my way out to the tree this morning, I found this:
July22.FigHalf.pin.jpg 
So now I go check the trap!  We put a perfectly delicious half bitten fig in it. 
trap.emptyPin.jpg 
He didn't take the bait, and lead is not an option, but Dennis' potion is.  A little more damage I spotted on the tree this morning.
7-22.Damage.pin.jpg 
It doesn't matter to him if they are bagged or not.  It doesn't matter to us if he is dead or not!  He soon will be!  These figs are almost gone, but we have other trees loaded not yet ripe, and we are not willing to share!


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Originally Posted by DesertDance
Well, we are back to square one, and since whatever it is has decided that it can endure a little amonia, will NOT venture into the trap, we will resort to Dennis' potion. 

New prints on the window shelf 2 days ago
Print.Shelf.3pin.jpg 

On my way out to the tree this morning, I found this:
July22.FigHalf.pin.jpg 
So now I go check the trap!  We put a perfectly delicious half bitten fig in it. 
trap.emptyPin.jpg 
He didn't take the bait, and lead is not an option, but Dennis' potion is.  A little more damage I spotted on the tree this morning.
7-22.Damage.pin.jpg 
It doesn't matter to him if they are bagged or not.  It doesn't matter to us if he is dead or not!  He soon will be!  These figs are almost gone, but we have other trees loaded not yet ripe, and we are not willing to share!
~all i use is  jelly bread try grape jelly,i use to use sardeens but caught to many cats.skunks,and opposums on that they love jelly bread ,they have a sweet tooth why go in there for a fig when there are trees full of them ,just sayin ~!~and ps. put that trap on the ground ~!i live in sw pa. also i catch the bandits alot ~!

Sometimes critters will be more likely to go in a trap that is covered.  An old blanket or some brush  should work nicely.

If you still wanted to relocate it, they love cat food too and I agree that putting it on the ground would be a good idea.  To keep it from pooping all over your window sill after being trapped if nothing else.

The trap looks like it might be the small one.  Raccoons can get up to 30lbs and 40 inches....might need a bigger trap.

Don't be surprised if it turns out to be more than one.

We were thinking it could be more than one.  We'll try putting the trap on the ground with something like jelly on bread, and covering it.  But frankly, we've had it! 

Recent article about misuse of fly poison:

A popular fly bait is being misused to kill raccoons and other animals.

A popular fly bait is being misused to kill raccoons and other animals.

Tambako The Jaguar/Flickr/Creative Commons

Regulators move to limit wildlife deaths from misuse of deadly fly killer

This past May, a dog named Gunner wandered into his neighbor’s barn and lapped sweet blue liquid from two pie tins on the floor. Then he collapsed and started to convulse. When Gunner’s veterinarian heard the story, he immediately guessed what was in the tins, according to a case summary from the Office of Indiana State Chemist (OISC). It was a mixture of Coca Cola and methomyl, a chemical sold to attract and kill flies.

Gunner eventually recovered, but other animals have been less lucky. Over the past few decades, wildlife researchers and environmental regulators in the United States have become increasingly alarmed by the intentional misuse of methomyl to kill “nuisance” wildlife including skunks and raccoons. Sometimes, however, the victims include dogs, cats, and even bald eagles.

“It’s indiscriminate, intentional poisoning of wildlife,” says Brian Rowe, who recently retired as pesticide section manager at the Michigan Department of Agriculture & Rural Development in Lansing. “Some of them die with their face in the pan that they’re licking out of. I mean, it kills them that quick.”

In response, this week Michigan officials are considering new rules to limit the use of the pesticide. If the rules are approved, as expected, Michigan would join a growing number of states and the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in trying to prevent the misuse of methomyl, in part by restricting who can buy it and requiring new warning labels. But some observers fear the labels—which depict a raccoon in a red circle with a slash through it—might unintentionally make matters worse.

Methomyl, which first hit the market in 1966, has a broad range of uses, including killing pests in agriculture. Under federal and state law, only licensed applicators can purchase and use the most potent methomyl products. But fly baits, which contain relatively low concentrations of methomyl, are available to everyone. The baits— commonly sold under the trade names Golden Malrin, Lurectron Scatterbait, and Stimukil—are designed to be placed in fly-prone areas, such as livestock enclosures.

Consumers, however, soon figured out that the baits could be repurposed for what is often called “critter control” on internet message boards. The poison is especially popular among sweet corn growers who are having trouble with raccoons, Rowe says, although people have employed it in attempts to kill everything from rodents to wolves. Rowe has documented more than 50 examples of people swapping advice and poison recipes online, and as of January, instructions for how to kill raccoons with methomyl are still among the first results of a Google search for “Golden Malrin.”

Rowe first heard about misuse of fly bait in the 1990s, and he started raising the issue with state and federal regulators in 2006. At first, it was hard to get anyone to take it seriously, he says. People dismissed it as a local problem, even though more than half of states that responded to Rowe’s inquiries confirmed they had at least one incident on record.

Between 2010 and 2012, regulators in Michigan and Indiana decided to see how deep the problem went. Agents posed as customers in hardware and farm supply stores, asking how to get rid of skunks or raccoons. In about a quarter of cases, the salespeople recommended fly bait. One store even had a sign: “Golden Malrin®—Kills Groundhogs, Opossums and Raccoons—One cup fly bait and one can regular coke.”

“We didn’t think it was a problem in Indiana … and then finally when we started looking, we said holy smokes, it is a problem,” says Leo Reed, a certification and licensing manager at OISC in West Lafayette. “Our contention is that if methomyl [fly bait] is being sold in your state, it’s being misused in your state.”

Starting in 2010, the six states in EPA’s Region 5, a regulatory region that includes Indiana and Michigan, joined forces to call for change from EPA. Their proposed solution: Reclassify methomyl fly baits as “restricted use” products. This would get the poison out of the hands of the general public, limiting access to trained, licensed applicators and the people they supervise.

The fly bait companies opposed that solution, however, and instead reached a compromise with EPA in April 2015. By early 2017, the agreement calls for the companies to stop distributing methomyl fly baits to general retailers such as hardware stores, and to stop making small containers. Farm supply stores will still be able to sell larger 4.5- and 18-kilogram containers, which will come with new warning labels and explanatory pamphlets. The companies and EPA plan to monitor reports of misuse through 2020, and further restrict use to licensed applicators if incidents aren’t “significantly reduced.”

The maker of one of the products, Golden Malrin, says the arrangement makes sense. “[Golden Malrin] is an important tool in reducing fly populations which have the potential to spread disease to livestock and humans,” wrote Mark Newberg, a representative for Wellmark International in Schaumburg, Illinois, which produces Golden Malrin, in an email. “We did what was asked of us by the EPA to keep the product available as a fly insecticide.” 

Methomyl products will now carry this logo, meant to warn against using them to poison raccoons. But some observers worry it might carry the opposite message.

Methomyl products will now carry this logo, meant to warn against using them to poison raccoons. But some observers worry it might carry the opposite message.

Some observers, however, have questions about the new warning labels. The red raccoon symbol is meant to be eye-catching, and according to EPA it means “not for use on raccoons.” But in some people’s eyes, it looks more like it is advertising the chemical as a good way to get rid of raccoons.

“Isn’t that the best advertisement for misuse you can possibly have?” Indiana’s Reed says. When he described the symbol at a meeting of regulators last year, participants started laughing.

The image could be misinterpreted, says Andrea Rother, an environmental and occupational health specialist at the University of Cape Town in South Africa who studies how people interpret symbols on pesticide labels. Before adopting the raccoon symbol, she says, the companies or EPA should have tested it with consumers.

EPA officials say no such testing occurred, but are confident that people will read the new labels as intended. The agency notes that text below the symbol reads “it is illegal to use this product with the intention to kill raccoons, skunks, opossums, coyotes, wolves, dogs, cats, or any other non-target species.”

“We believe that these two warnings together will make it clear that these uses are not legal,” wrote an EPA spokesperson in an email.

Even if consumers do get the right message, they’re unlikely to change their behavior, Rother predicts. People who use fly bait to poison raccoons already know they aren’t following label directions. The most effective way to combat such deliberate misuse, she says, is to limit people’s access.

Some states are doing just that, going beyond EPA’s mitigation measures and instead making the products illegal for sale to the general public. Indiana reclassified methomyl fly baits as restricted use products in 2013. Michigan is following suit, with a hearing to finalize the restrictions scheduled for 19 February.

In the rest of the country, Rowe expects illegal poisonings to continue, at least while current EPA rules are in place. It will fall on researchers and regulators to document and report such incidents, he says, so that the companies and the EPA will have the data they need in 2020 to determine if the existing restrictions are working. 

I still think it is a possum.   Little fat paw prints   not so much hand like as a racoon.   Have you tried Hershells  "Cult Kool Aid".

For the trap, heat the bottom of a large marshmallow and stick on the bait tray. This will force the critter to put weight on the trigger closing it up behind him.

It is a possum.

Lol. That no raccoon symbol is great! Take a menacing looking raccoon picture, put a no symbol on it, and slap it on a container of poison.

If I were looking to buy raccoon poison, that's the one I'd get for sure.

We got the kool aid.  It's the big plan now.  end of the rope.  Kool Aid!  And just FYI, too many Coyotes around here.  Everyone keeps their pets inside unless they are walking them.  This is wild country here.
Another FYI.  This property and house is 30 years old.  Any critter does NOT have squatters rights!

It amazes me how the people that are not really getting enough of a harvest to support a single small mammal don't feel the urgency to produce more. Blame the animal, sheesh.

hoosier, so far out of 10 ripe figs, we got two (not quite ripe enough) and we had to beat the critter to them because he gets ALL the figs before they are even ripe!  Who pays for the water in this drought?  We do!!!! 

We'll try the peanut trick, but it will be backed up by a nice bowl of Kool Aid.

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