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My wife bought this black Mission fig tree at Lowe's while I was out of town this March.  It has 4 main trunks (pretty much bare except the very top) about 4' tall.  After planted in ground, there are a few figlets appeared, and one of the main trunk has new branches broke out at the lower section.  I did not pay much attention to it, due to it is still in recovery mode after transplanting.  Recently, as I pay more attention to it, it appears to me that this tree look weird...The front two trunks have the same leaf pattern, but the back two trunks have leaves that have narrower and deep fingers.  Just by the look of the leaves, I'd call them two different varieties.  Furthermore, the figs on the front two trunks show two distinct fig shapes and skin colors.  One group is oval like with blue-greenish skin, while the other is more squat (like kiss chocolate drop) with pale green, but shiny skin.  The back two trunks do not show much growth at all with only one large, but squat fig.  The front two trunks has more figlets, but are smaller compared to the squat one in the back.

I am stumped...Anyone can care to chip in as to what do I have? Pics are attached below.  I am sure that I can return it if this is not as advertised.  But that has to be after I sample the fig first in fall, though.  

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It looks like 2 cuttingsmay have been in the same pot?
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Thanks for the suggestion, Julie...I went out to check the base of the trunks, and noted that the two back trunks with the deep finger leaf pattern are joined at the base above the ground, while the front two trunks are joined as well at the base.  I dig a little bit below the ground, but can not tell if these two groups are joined together there due to the many roots there.  The question is why the nursery would put two cuttings of different varieties in the same pot.

The only fig on the back trunk is much larger than the front ones as well since they formed at about the same time in early May.  The skin is light green, and smoother.  The figs on the front two trunks puzzle me as well, when I saw two different groups of shape and color.  I will have to wait till the fruits ripen to see what the flesh looks like, and how they taste.  

I am not sure that mine is actually a black Mission...though the back trunks do have the size of a black Mission fig, and the leaf pattern is similar to one of many variants on the Internet.  But they do not seem to grow much at all, no new branches or leaves. As for the front trunks, I am pretty sure that it is not a black Mission fig tree, due to the small size of the figs at this point of the season. 

I do not know if I should be delighted for getting two trees for the price of one.  But if they taste great, I am more than likely to keep them, and mark them as unknown...till I can identified them, that is.  

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Young trees can have multiple leaf patterns.  
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That may be true...Normally the leaf patterns are scattered among different trunks.  Mine has a clear cut dividing line.  The tree is four feet tall, so it is not quite as young.  Most leaves look the same between the front two trunks, and between the back two trunks; but not between the front and back trunks.  The fig fruits are quite different in shape and size as well.
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After picking the fruits from my "black Mission" fig tree, the verdict:  There are two varieties of fig trees in this container.  I do not think that either one is black Mission fig tree...

The first to ripen is definitely Celeste type, with the fruit size small, about 16 to 17 grams, tan skin with blue hue with closed eye.  The pulp is reddish.  The taste is jammy, sweet, berry like flavor.  The leaf is five lobe one similar to LSU O'rourke, but the fruits are smaller than O'rourke.  It actually resemble Improved Celeste in shape, skin and pulp color, but the leaf of mine is not one or three lobe type like that of IC.  The taste is also similar to the IC of my neighbor's.  

Now the large fig is ripened.  I'd say very ripe because it just dropped to the grass this morning.  It is like a Kiss drop chocolate with purple colored skin, darker at the eye then greenish at the stem, the eye opened up when swelling to about 2 mm.  It weighs 61 grams, almost four times as much as the Celeste fig.  The leaf is narrow, deep fingered 5 lobes.  The pulp is hollowed in the center, with amber color.  The taste is similar to Celeste but more crunchy and not as jammy and sweet.  It is sweet at the eye, less so at the stem.  The skin is not cracked as the typical black Mission at full ripeness.  

I am new to the world of fig land, so obviously I do not have a lot of experience about fig cultivars.  I think my assessment of my "Celeste" part of the tree is correct, comparing to my neighbor's and pics from the Internet.  But I am clueless on this large fig/tree in the same container.  If you have any knowledge about this fig tree, please post comments so I can learn what variety it is.  Thanks.

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It's got Brunswick type leaves.
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Thanks a lot.  I checked the Brunswick's leaf, as shown in the following link

https://www.google.com/search?q=brunswick+fig+leaf+and+fruit&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS752US752&tbm=isch&imgil=h76w6kGOX-ooMM%253A%253Bo0r225XeyF4JEM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fjimlongsgarden.blogspot.com%25252F2012%25252F09%25252Ffigs.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=h76w6kGOX-ooMM%253A%252Co0r225XeyF4JEM%252C_&usg=__lLse-zlIpzzyu_vcl9ivn0Jjs6Y%3D&biw=1366&bih=638&ved=0ahUKEwiDprOk57PVAhXGRSYKHTLWDQsQyjcIMw&ei=zEh_WYOQCMaLmQGyrLdY#imgrc=h76w6kGOX-ooMM:

It does have similar leaf appearance, though the skin color is somewhat different.  Some commented about its taste as sugary sweet, that is all for Brunswick.  Mine is more akin to that of Celeste, but less jammy and sweet. 

Would you return it (I am sure Lowe's will take it back) if you have tasted all three varieties (black Mission, Brunswick, and Celeste) for what it is worth? I know that taste is very personal thing, but I have yet tasted a single black Mission fig for comparison purposes... 

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I found on the Youtube about Brunswick fig uploaded by the NewEnglandGarden.  This video showed the same leaf and fruit shape/pulp/eye opening as mine, so I am definitely sure now that my tree contains two common varieties in my area, a Celeste and a Brunswick.  I am still debating whether I should return it or keep it.  Yeah, it has nothing to do with the black Mission fig tree.  Unless someone here tells me that black Mission fig tastes way better than these Celeste and Brunswick figs, I am inclined to keep it.


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I also stumbled on another link about the shape of the five lobe Celeste, and learned that mine is actually a blue Celeste...

http://figs4fun.com/Thumbnail_Blue_Celeste.html

and

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/fig-of-the-day-celeste-08162013-6480490

It appears that "blue" is just an adjective to describe the blue hue of the fruit.  My identification work is done, time to move on to something else.  Lesson well learned, not on the part of the mislabeled transaction(it happens), but the search for the truth/answer of a mystery that a wealth of knowledge that I gained.  That is part of the fun in gardening, though.



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While you have possibly made positive IDs, most importantly you have a good idea of the quality/nature/appeal of the fruit and whether the tree is worth keeping.

I wouldn't have recommended returning it anyway.  It's got a head start getting established, and grafting the varieties of choice would have been a better option, with more varieties to select from.  Consider doing that anyway, as you seem to have a few spare stalks.
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Thanks for your suggestion.  I do plan on grafting some "selected" fig cultivars onto these trees (an Ischia and this one, both in ground), as I have limited space now in my yard.  I am not too picky about the subtle differences on the taste of various fig cultivars.  As long as they are productive and picked ripe, I think they all taste great in their own way.  I am not a collector, but I am inquisitive and curious.  So I will try a couple of "top names" for my climate just to compare and cull them down later, based on productivity, ripening time difference (for longer fig fruiting season), and taste that my wife and I like the most.  
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