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Genovese Nero

Same person Mike. This winter I will wrap my RGNN trees and share photos of the breba with everyone when they ripen. 

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Originally Posted by WillsC
Harvey,


You know posting this crap is just going to tick our friend off even more, is that your intent?  


 
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Originally Posted by HarveyC

Some people seem to be very upset that they don't have the real Genovese Nero and others seem to find some reason to get some sort of satisfaction in this supposed misery.


Who?  Name them......I have a hard time believing anyone is gloating over this.  You sure like to talk about unnamed sources. 


 
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Originally Posted by HarveyC
Some folks wonder why some others have made such a big deal about this issue.


You say that then talk about you being on your second fake I258....you answered your own question.  Not to mention that people are paying hundreds of dollars for plants and getting defrauded.   You don't find that a "big deal"?

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Originally Posted by HarveyC
 
People have written me (unsolicited) and said that they thought I acted appropriately in trying to get more facts than to judge just based on leaf shape.


It was your insistence that you were STILL GOING TO SELL the fake GN and just call it GN OL that ticked people off the most.  Sorry but I will go on the record to say I find that highly inappropriate.  



Harvey just stop......some people were trying to help you not destroy your reputation.  You should be saying thank you instead of continuing to try to justify your actions in all of this mess. 

I do agree that plant push in tags are a bad idea.  I wire a metal embossed tag to the pot so I know what it is.  Yesterday I was doing airlayers and found a airlayer from the day before that had got pushed off the table.  It would have been CDD Grise, Maltese Beauty, Saint Rita or Niagara black as that is what I was potting Thursday.  It went in the trash....



I find it interesting that someone made a simple mistake and sent out cuttings from a plant that wasn't really the plant they thought it was.


Now we have the Figgy Gestapo calling it a deliberate action driven by greed and an overwhelming desire to make money at all cost.

Daniel, he us suppose t send me some cuttings which I will grow out and compare with the "plant" that he sent me two years ago. I dont
know why I am wasting my time with this.

Your tree has not bared fruit,  correct? It will be interesting to compare the fruit from your RGNN tree to mine. I have already done so with Art's
and its like comparing and apple to a banana. Nada

Lol wow WillsC , you really going to put that man on blast like that.  Rich who are you calling the Figgy Gestapo lol? mike didn't you see pictures of the fig I posted? Mine fruited this year main crop only. 

genovese nero (3) - Copy.JPG 


Please, please do not fuel this up, this forum was getting back on track so let's frown upon this. This is not good. Harvey, just sell as an unknown or share as an unknown, it is apparently a good fig, I'll buy one as an unknown. Please members do not allow this to keep going. This is a really good forum and let's keep it as a sharing and learning experience.

How about them figs......

Maybe there would be less naming issues/conflicts arising if there was F4F forum published "fig naming convention standard".

There is lots of information and direction in individual posts on this but I would like to see these ideas put together in a standard and published right up front in either in the forum basic Q&A or forum rules.  Volunteer anyone??

Thanks Harvey, Art, Leon, Daniel, Mike and others for tracking things down and sharing what you have. It is awesome to finally have a good description of what Genovese Nero is.

My RGNN (perfect name Daniel) should produce next year, it is being garaged so might even have brebas. Maybe we will be able to figure out what it really is. Now to find the real GN...

1st we need honest people, 2nd we need more photographed and detailed varieties in a public database like what jon is doing. Bravo Jon  

Something to help with the 2nd point is on the way. More details to come in early 2015 :)

Totally agree!  Jon's database is a great reference and I hope it continues to be updated and expanded.  I hope there is a good backup of it:)

I believe most people are honest so there is hope:)

I am thinking mostly of the many unknowns out there that at some point someone will name. 
We sure don't want these getting names of known accepted varieties and creating more issues.   Keep in mind all the existing known figs were named at some point and some seem to have been named pretty loosely.

The name standard I have seen on this forum seems very simple: 

<Unk. tag> <new fig name> <origin> - detailed description of fig with photos of leaves, fruit inside and out. 
For the origin I would like to see more than just someone's name. i.e. Where they got it and also where did the fig come from and any story around this.

The other issue is when and how does the unknown tag get dropped. 

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Originally Posted by WillsC
Harvey,
You know posting this crap is just going to tick our friend off even more, is that your intent?  


No, I have not done anything with the intention of upsetting Rafed.  I am doing what I think is right.  Unfortunately, you disagree but seem to be in the minority.

 
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Originally Posted by HarveyC

Some people seem to be very upset that they don't have the real Genovese Nero and others seem to find some reason to get some sort of satisfaction in this supposed misery.


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Originally Posted by WillsC
Harvey,
Who?  Name them......I have a hard time believing anyone is gloating over this.  You sure like to talk about unnamed sources. 

I'm not going to name the names. I read a comment in the other new forum where the person's thoughts on this were quite clear.  Like a kid in a candy store.
 
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Originally Posted by HarveyC
Some folks wonder why some others have made such a big deal about this issue.

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Originally Posted by WillsC

You say that then talk about you being on your second fake I258....you answered your own question.  Not to mention that people are paying hundreds of dollars for plants and getting defrauded.   You don't find that a "big deal"?

You are mistaken again.  I am not very upset about the fake I258.  Both times the person sent me what they thought was I258 just like Rob thought he was sending me GN.  Defrauding someone requires intent and I don't see any of that here although Rafed is sure of that.  When mistakes happen and people apologize, it should not be a big deal.  Refunds get made, etc.  None of my buyers seem upset at all (7 responses so far).

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Originally Posted by HarveyC
 
People have written me (unsolicited) and said that they thought I acted appropriately in trying to get more facts than to judge just based on leaf shape.


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Originally Posted by HarveyC

It was your insistence that you were STILL GOING TO SELL the fake GN and just call it GN OL that ticked people off the most.  Sorry but I will go on the record to say I find that highly inappropriate.  

Wills, you've written me and said you are my friend and that I acted stupidly.  I think you are being a jerk.  You continue writing things that I did not say.

I've written several times that I was going to wait and see until I had more information to determine what I thought about my plants themselves, not withholding judgment on just leaf shape.  On the other forum Rafed has made the statement that Marcus has the real Genovese Nero.  Marcus has posted photos of a tree with leaves like mine.  I asked Rafed about that more than once and he refused to common on that.  What I said prior to seeing dark from from Art and Leon Tuesday night was that if I sold anything from these trees at all I might call them Genovese Nero OL.  I made it clear I had nothing to sell at this time, just three trees in the ground.  That came up after you falsely accused me of stockpiling plants.  I reach decisions deliberately and in due time.

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Originally Posted by HarveyC

Harvey just stop......some people were trying to help you not destroy your reputation.  You should be saying thank you instead of continuing to try to justify your actions in all of this mess. 


Please worry about your own reputation, not mine.  Your comments and continued allegations are unwarranted and you're looking like an idiot.  No, I am not angry.  Don't make that claim again either, please.


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Originally Posted by HarveyC

I do agree that plant push in tags are a bad idea.  I wire a metal embossed tag to the pot so I know what it is.  Yesterday I was doing airlayers and found a airlayer from the day before that had got pushed off the table.  It would have been CDD Grise, Maltese Beauty, Saint Rita or Niagara black as that is what I was potting Thursday.  It went in the trash....


Fortunately, I've only had something like that happen once or twice.


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Originally Posted by waynea
Please, please do not fuel this up, this forum was getting back on track so let's frown upon this. This is not good. Harvey, just sell as an unknown or share as an unknown, it is apparently a good fig, I'll buy one as an unknown. Please members do not allow this to keep going. This is a really good forum and let's keep it as a sharing and learning experience.


Wayne, I already made it clear on Wednesday morning that I will no longer sell this as Genovese Nero.  I probably won't ever sell anything from it other than maybe the fruit.  I don't believe in selling "unknowns".  I have a few different unknowns from different sources that might be the same since they called them slightly different things.

Man, all I ever got from thread was that if it's a Thibodeaux, it apparently does well in the humid South as a substitute for Brunswick. 

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I'm not going to name the names.


Because they don't exist.  


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That came up after you falsely accused me of stockpiling plants.  


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Several of my Genovese Nero trees


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I will do my best to eliminate this from the list of rare varieties. :)


So....


    
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I think you are being a jerk.


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Idiot


Now name calling?   Very mature.  


Hey Leon, I am trying to see where my pics are one photobucket have 3000 unsorted pics so it's taking a while. To answer your question yes ripe fruits last year looked like yours and art's.

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Originally Posted by HarveyC
I'm not going to name the names.


Because they don't exist.  


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Originally Posted by HarveyC


That came up after you falsely accused me of stockpiling plants.  


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Originally Posted by HarveyC
Several of my Genovese Nero trees


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Originally Posted by HarveyC

I will do my best to eliminate this from the list of rare varieties. :)


So....


    
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Originally Posted by HarveyC
I think you are being a jerk.


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Originally Posted by HarveyC
Idiot


Now name calling?   Very mature.  




C'mon guys, let it be water under the bridge.

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Originally Posted by IDon'tknowWhoOriginallyPostedThis
Yesterday I was doing airlayers and found a airlayer from the day before that had got pushed off the table.  It would have been CDD Grise, Maltese Beauty, Saint Rita or Niagara black as that is what I was potting Thursday.  It went in the trash....


When something like this happens to Bass he sells it as an unknown for $12.  If you want to fish it out of the trash I'll buy it.   

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Originally Posted by HarveyC
I'm not going to name the names.


Because they don't exist.  


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Originally Posted by HarveyC


That came up after you falsely accused me of stockpiling plants.  


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Originally Posted by HarveyC
Several of my Genovese Nero trees


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Originally Posted by HarveyC

I will do my best to eliminate this from the list of rare varieties. :)


So....


    
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Originally Posted by HarveyC
I think you are being a jerk.


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Originally Posted by HarveyC
Idiot


Now name calling?   Very mature.  




Why don't you and ratfeet go **** in your new sandbox and leave the rest of us alone.

Isn't that why the "bountiful fig **** house" was created?

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh snap!!!!!

Exit stage left 

Boom

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Originally Posted by IDon'tknowWhoOriginallyPostedThis
Yesterday I was doing airlayers and found a airlayer from the day before that had got pushed off the table.  It would have been CDD Grise, Maltese Beauty, Saint Rita or Niagara black as that is what I was potting Thursday.  It went in the trash....


When something like this happens to Bass he sells it as an unknown for $12.  If you want to fish it out of the trash I'll buy it.   


It would be pretty dried out by now:)  It is a shame as it was very well rooted.  Guess I should be more careful.

Looks like we need to throw a few flags for piling on, again.

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