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Good Quality /Organic Soil

So, this question about "how organic is organic or how safe is the famous market potting soil" came up in one Harvey's threads and I decided to open a new thread (not to derail Harvey's thread from it's subject) for this , to me, very important subject.
Kelby commented on my fav brand (MG) not being the best or even organic and I asked him to give an example of better quality soil available in market.
Any ideas...?

I've read that growers of all sorts have had good success with brands like Happy frog and Roots Organic.

Aaron, to be certain that the soil is organic, you need to start building your own.  I find very stressful that our local source  of top soil accepts all sorts of green debris, which is all grounded up and composted in large piles.  This is how it goes: Not everyone is a compost freak like me and I am sick and tired of seeing daily the discare (if that is even a word). I clean an office and a couple of buildings for a living. I clean their garbage areas. I am constantly removing glass bottles and other garbage bags from the 'green compost' bins. Also, the restaurants have green bins for a local private soil company. (Cedergrove), Behind the Starbucks and other restaurants collects the food waste and the truck comes and dumps in and move on... well, all the homeless and uneducated composters use this for garbage. I once asked the Starbucks manager if I could have a bag of used grounds, he told me about their bin behind and told me to helpmyself. So I opened and what I see? bottle, empty soda pop cans and other city waste that was not compost at all.   All this mixed waste is grounded and sold as 'good soil'.   Our city sprays the trees, so the city waste is also a waste, not organic. Hum, solution is to start composting, have a red worm minifarm.

I feel my plants are almost organic, I do use the wood chips from the neighbour's trees and hedges, when I see them pruning them.  I recycle all my kitchen and plant waste and use the chop and drop method when I do my pruning, I cut small and let it drop where it needs to be. It seems to all be used up. The mulching becames soil as it becomes home for the earthworms. I have my chickens which are fed what is "organic sold in the store", which many not be fully organic. (that is why I way almost!!!) So far, it is working.  My plants are healthy.

I  don't believe in perlite and what it takes to mine the light rock. the danger to the earth and those who work with it. 
http://www.epa.gov/ttnchie1/ap42/ch11/final/c11s30.pdf

I lived my more than half century of life without it, and will not need it now. I purchased a bag when I first wanted to root the cuttings, but found my results to be the same with or without it, so I will not advocate for the use of it. That is my own experience.  I am not sure what it would be for a larger scale.

As I wrote in the other thread, I like Pro-Mix HP very much for my younger trees as they all thrive in it.  I would suggest Pro-Mix BX for longer-term potted situations.  It is not organic, but I consider it to be very safe for growing foods for human consumption.  See the discussion at https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=162821 for some entertaining discussion. :)  It is interesting how one grower brought up fungus gnats and Sunshine #4.  In early 2013 I bought 1 bale each of Pro-Mix HP and Sunshine #4 (which is organic).  I started using the Pro-Mix for transferring my newly-rooted cuttings and things went well.  When I ran out, I started using Sunshine #4.  A big infestation of fungus gnats immediately took hold.  Give me a choice between the two and it is very clear which I will use.

If you would have performed a search you'd see there are a great many threads on potting mixes already, I'd recommend doing that before starting new threads in the future. Here's how to search: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/How-to-search-the-forum-using-2-or-3letter-terms-5972738.

Yes no need to start a new thread when there is plenty already on the site. It is easy to do a search, starting a new thread creates clutter and confusion when people do searches later on.

Try

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=6416224

Sometimes old threads get burried in the past without a "bump". I think there are new people that would benefit from an updated discussion on the topic.  Harvey, who does it for a living has always  new valid and tested perspectives which I really appreciate.  

Others, including myself who is not very computer savvy, should also benefit and/or present their dissenting on the matter.

If anyone feels the person needs a scalding for reposting, do not respond to it, or please do that in private, so that this forum can continue its greatness.

Why not state your opinion in private then?

Ampersand and Rafael...
Thanks guys for the constructive suggestions.
I failed to find anything on "Organic Soil" subject in my F4F search.
Im petty much OK with the composition to porousness.

Grasa,
Thanks so much for your positive input, it was very helpful to figure out how I want to create my ideal soil.

Harvey ,
I researched your suggestion , thank you, its on expensive side but sounds good. i still need to add everything else into the mixture, like...fertilizer, wood chips and (i have been experimenting with "water crystals" ...)

Thank you all ;)

Aaron, I suggest adding nothing to Pro-Mix HP besides some fertilizer and your tree.  It has ample water-holding capacity as is.  The 3.8 CF bales are highly-compressed and weight about 60 pounds.  The HP version is a bit less expensive as perlite makes up 10% more of the final mix and costs less.

ok Harvey,
I'm going to try this for my up-potting, thanks.

Aaron I've tried water crystals without much luck. The problem for me was the available moisture as adsorption only. It would distribute moisture but without aeration via pore space and would adhere to the cutting ( or even rooted cutting). I even ground the crystals to a fine dust to allow more porosity, but those crystals really swell up large and still ended up rotting the cutting or fig start. Maybe you'll find a better way. Good luck to you. Let me know if you find a method that works with them. I always thought they had potential.

Bill, 
I used the crystals as part of overall mixture. Not just by themselves as a growing media. Im my rooting mixture I have use MG rooting soil as base then added wood chips, the white stuff and crystals then watered with some Liquid Fertilizer in the first water, closed and didn't open for at least a week , then just occasionally had a pick at them...Never watered again during the rooting process.

But now, I am exploring my new Growing media options...specially emphasis on ORGANIC SOIL mixture.

Sorry, I should have said that in my earlier post. I integrated the crystals in pro mix HP blend in an effort to not have to water as often. The mix stayed moist, but it was a mucky mess due to the lack of oxygen.

ahhh, can you define mucky mess? was there marsh rooms and all..and white cottony surface? what happened exactly?

No, there weren't any mushrooms or substantial fungus growth. It just rotted the cuttings and fig starts due to the wicking effect of the crystals. They just make anything they stick to (the pro mix) like "cake batter", even if I didn't moisten the mixture very much. The crystals grow slowly, so even if the overall mixture feels relatively dry, the crystals eventually swell up and take over.

huh, interesting.

Ryan, thank you BTW, good info also.

For me, I am using compost, composted manure, top soil, sand and lava rock for drainage.  It may not meet certified organic as the sources aren't listed organic but for me this is good enough and by the time I am eating figs off the trees, anything that may be an insecticide or chemical will have dissipated from the soil.  It's not ideal for me but it is the best solution given my situation as I cannot find large volumes of certified ingredients all the time so instead I opt for local, never from the city though.  Also the compost I used has peat moss in it as well.

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Originally Posted by Aaron4USA
Ampersand and Rafael...
Thanks guys for the constructive suggestions.
I failed to find anything on "Organic Soil" subject in my F4F search.
Im petty much OK with the composition to porousness.

Grasa,
Thanks so much for your positive input, it was very helpful to figure out how I want to create my ideal soil.

Harvey ,
I researched your suggestion , thank you, its on expensive side but sounds good. i still need to add everything else into the mixture, like...fertilizer, wood chips and (i have been experimenting with "water crystals" ...)

Thank you all ;)


Aaron,
The HD in Burbank sells HP but since it is expensive, few people buy it, the bales lay on the floor for long time and often got damaged. I asked for a discount while getting a torn bag and got 30% off. Same soil just not in a shrink wrapped bag.

Greenfig i bit the bullet and bought a bale of hp at home depot yesterday. It was hard to pay 25.00 for soil that has numerous other varieties stocked around it for a third of the price. Also the guy checking out ahead of me had identical contents in his shopping cart. It was hp bale and a bag of perlite, however his shirt had giant marijuana leaf on it so he probably isnt growing figs lol.

Thanks Igor.

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