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I'm amazed Francisco .
Learning somethinng every day,nice way of going at it.well explained too.
Thank you for the effort aplied on the subject,much apreciated.
Wis you the best

Fellows,

IMHO is, as said before, practically impossible to get the cambium line 'parallel' or aligned between stock and scion. This line is thinner than a line drawn by a sharp pencil!
Take a while to watch this same contractor exercising the same concept when doing side grafts..

#t=210.182875

so simple. It works on practically all trees , figs included .

Here we are,  in geometrical terms, talking of intersecting cambium lines at minute angles... making a very shallow 'X'

Again, when you peel a trunk or a limb (with sap flowing), that thin cambium area gets itself split into two live 1/2 surface cambiums if I may say..
One half surface  sticks to the lifted bark,  the other also live cambium half surface covers the hard wood.
And both are ready to accept a scion cambium line or surface to make a successful graft .
Watch how this girl grafts a cocoa tree with a scion of an improved variety



lt looks and it's quite simple
Good grafting
Francisco


Thanks for the links Francisco.

I'm surprised that most grafting guides (sketches, etc.) I've seen do not say to deliberately orient the cambium lines at small crossing angles so that intersection is guaranteed. If that's all it takes then making sure the surfaces are flat and making contact at the area where they appear to cross would be easier than trying to make flat contact everywhere.

When rootstock is same diameter as scion, I find making and fitting the tongue the most problematic for whip/tongue graft. I may just try a splice without tongue on my next ones and see if I can get those to work.

Amazing
I will stop breaking my head with grafting technics right now!
Whatever will be the results on my grafting odissey.
It will be a great learning experience .

Don't graft figs during dormancy.  Bud break or full growth are fine.  At least that has been my experience.

Probably any technique will work.  Whip or whip and tongue, and bark grafts have worked best for me.  If I have a stump to graft to, bark graft, if I have a smaller branch, whip/whip&tongue.  One of my bark grafts put on about 8 feet of growth this year before I tip-pruned it. Crazy.

This is a great tip, Jaime. I know this is also what Francisco emphasizes. Thanks!!

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You're welcome.

If you adapt to your region and protect well your attempts you should be fine. 

As i said before, I've learned that important lesson the hard way. Then i saw a video of a guy in Palestine doing one of the worst grafting jobs i ever saw (rough cuts, poor alignment of cambium, etc), but he protected his fig grafts like i never did. It's probably the most important part of the success of grafting figs.

Here's the video - Grafting figs in Palestine

Best of luck for your grafts.

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Don't graft figs during dormancy.  Bud break or full growth are fine.  At least that has been my experience.

Probably any technique will work.  Whip or whip and tongue, and bark grafts have worked best for me.  If I have a stump to graft to, bark graft, if I have a smaller branch, whip/whip&tongue.  One of my bark grafts put on about 8 feet of growth this year before I tip-pruned it. Crazy.


Mark
 thanks for the information on the best grafting time.
That was one of my big concerns.
 If, the grafting is done in the right time of the year,the graft should heal faster and better (IMHO).
Best wishes to you.

Francisco,

You're completely right.

We just need to make the cambium cross to improve the chances for a successful graft.

That's why i don't bother much to try and find a branch of exactly the same diameter for the whip and tongue or to make a chip graft cut fit exactly perfectly. Those small differences in size and diameter assure that in a few places the cambiums will cross.

If the diameter is exactly the same i usually skew the scion a little bit so they cross. It's much better doing that that having a scion sitting in the middle of a bigger diameter rootstock without the cambiums touching.

With thinner diameter scions a slightly longer cut allows for better tapping and more cambium crossing possibilities.

Usually, when the cambiums are fusing we can see that the growth is not equal in all the areas of contact. The places where the cambiums have crossed always start to fuse first and accumulate more healing tissue. Then the process continues to include all the wound.










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Francisco,

You're completely right.

We just need to make the cambium cross to improve the chances for a successful graft.

That's why i don't bother much to try and find a branch of exactly the same diameter for the whip and tongue or to make a chip graft cut fit exactly perfectly. Those small differences in size and diameter assure that in a few places the cambiums will cross.

If the diameter is exactly the same i usually skew the scion a little bit so they cross. It's much better doing that that having a scion sitting in the middle of a bigger diameter root stock without the cambiums touching.

With thinner diameter scions a slightly longer cut allows for better tapping and more cambium crossing possibilities.

Usually, when the cambiums are fusing we can see that the growth is not equal in all the areas of contact. The places where the cambiums have crossed always start to fuse first and accumulate more healing tissue. Then the process continues to include all the wound.












Hi Jaime
That's it. I always make sure I do that on most methods and hardly loose one
For the fellows in higher latitudes and to avoid long waiting for the Natural right timing, I would suggest that they keep the scions in the fridge (1 to 3ºC) and - if that is possible- bring in the root stocks inside or in a GH..watering and lightly fertilizing.... by about end of Feb/early March, prior to a full moon - approx 7 March/2017- do your chips, whips$tgs  or cleft grafts.. as the weather warms up bring the trees outside. ..If not successful , do not despair you still have Spring, with sap flowing and waiting for eventual chip or an inverted (*) T bud to replace any failure.
Another option shall be 'patch budding'.. which goes very well with figs
All these you may do up to late summer..

(*) imverted, to try and avoid sap from flooding the graft

Done a pair of chip-buds last Spring , close to a full Moon   -DK on an old but healthy Côtea-   Revisited the site yesterday and found two whips over 9' with over 3 dozen main crop figs ripening !!   -(no space for pictures now but will show)

Another good source for information (see their advice on cleft graft section)
http://www.extension.umn.edu/garden/yard-garden/fruit/grafting-and-budding-fruit-trees/#cleft-graft

Francisco
Portugal







Thanks to Francisco and others for your inputs on this subject. Grafting is something I'm very interested in and have been unable to find a reason why all my previous attempts have failed since my scion fits seemed as good as those I've seen in teaching videos.

Knowing that just a small amount of cambium contact is needed for a successful graft I will angle the scions just enough to see that it is out of contact at both ends so somewhere in the middle there has to be crossing. It's fun to have something new to try!

Hi,

I have a 12 years old smyrna fig tree in my garden which drops his fruit because there is no polination.
Now I want to try graft some drives with fig cuttings. I think it is cold now for grafting (10-12 C) so I put some cuttings in a bag and put them in the fridge.
Can I store them this way?
When comes the time to try graft the tree?

The method I want to try is a "scion-stock" grafting.

Hope for answers

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Hi,

I have a old 12 smyrna fig tree in my garden which drops his fruit because there is no polination.
Now I want to try graft some drives with fig cuttings. I think it is cold now for grafting (10-12 C) so I put some cuttings in a bag and put them in the fridge.
Can I store them this way?
When comes the time to try graft the tree?

The method I want to try is a "scion-stock" grafting.

Hope for answers


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Hi

Believe timing in your area  is OK for early spring grafts... and,   scions/cuttings should be kept inside the fridge - 1 to 3ºC -
Without knowing (seeing) sizes of scion and root stock not easy to advise/suggest what's best for you
However, these videos do help a lot and provide good guidance





http://www.extension.umn.edu/garden/yard-garden/fruit/grafting-and-budding-fruit-trees/
This paper is also  excellent reading on grafting and  a very good source of information on how to perform the various types of grafting with interesting considerations on sizes, timing, tricks, etc..

Hope this helps

If you read/understand French, try  this Attila grafting... extremely simple! never fails!!
http://www.greffer.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=109

Good luck
Francisco
Portugal


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