macmike
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Does anyone have any Thompson Seedless or other White Seedless grapes I cold get some cuttings from when the go dormant? I have Concord Seedless and want to get a couple of White grapes going as well.
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I am looking for Concord Seedless and have both Himrod Seedless and Reliance Seedless. One is white (Himrod) and one is pink (Reliance). I unfortunately don't remember which is which because they're both in the same pot and the guys that stained my deck moved them around. They didn't fruit this year and they are quite small, so the cuttings would be equally small.
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Mike I am also in Zone 5 (5a). I am growing Himrod seedles White (Cornel U program). It is 2-years old, small but it may have skinny pencil thick branch that may need pruning. I have not tasted fruit this year because of the birds. Let me know (PM me) if interested.
PS/Edit: I did not see Jason post before posting.
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Akram, no biggie. It can't hurt for Mike to potentially get two sources.
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Jason, I have a Concord Seedless that probably could have a few cuttings removed. Actually its still in a pot and I have not read real favorable reviews on it, I'd love to trade it for some fig. I also have Reliance, Catawaba, Concord and Mars in pots. Mars is better all-around than Concord Seedless. I think I have one Himrod but it is a real small weak plant.
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macmike
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I agree about the two sources. If enough interest I will probably start some more plants next year under Intermittent Mist. I started 12 cuttings at the end of July and they all rooted. I potted them up and they are doing good. Right now there are 6 in each put but can pot them up individually for swaps.
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I have the Reliance seedless and can have a quantity of cuttings if you or anybody else wants.
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I have a few large grape vines planted in the ground but I have to find the book that tells me which is which, they are Thompson Seedless Concord
Seedless and a few others I have to look up the type in the book...
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texascockatoos
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You can get most of the varieties mentioned here from UC Davis with your fig order. Last year I added (I think) 6 varieties of Grapes and got 5 cuttings of each variety.
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pino
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Hello, I have the following seedless; Himrod - a white/green seedless, delicious if you can beat the birds to them Vanessa - a light red seedless, tasty and nice, easier to grow than himrod. Coronation - These are very similar/related to Concord Seedless. Coronation are very easy to grow, delicious and great producers, these grapes sold fresh through out Canada. Coronation look very similar to my concord, but don't have that strong concord taste and only a hint of the labrusca flavor. I haven't taken any grape cuttings yet this year but I am starting my grape pruning this month. Hopefully the -25C didn't do too much bud damage.
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Do you root the same as fig cuttings? I have 1 cutting in a cup in the humidity bin but it's not doing much.
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pino
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Grapes seem even easier to root than figs. As in figs the health of the cutting is very important. Bull whip or small scraggy cuttings will not do well. 3 node/bud cuttings are the standard with the bottom 1 sometimes 2 buds removed.
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elin
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I rootes so many 5 inch cutting this year i didnt rhink they root so easilly either on paperbag or moist soil, no hormones too. Anyhow seems my variety called odessa is eaay to root.
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I rootes so many 5 inch cutting this year i didnt rhink they root so easilly either on paperbag or moist soil, no hormones too. Anyhow seems my variety called odessa is eaay to root.
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I rootes so many 5 inch cutting this year i didnt rhink they root so easilly either on paperbag or moist soil, no hormones too. Anyhow seems my variety called odessa is eaay to root.
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Gordenia
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Kyoho grape -Japan- seedless- anybody have any information?
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Originally Posted by pino Grapes seem even easier to root than figs. As in figs the health of the cutting is very important. Bull whip or small scraggy cuttings will not do well. 3 node/bud cuttings are the standard with the bottom 1 sometimes 2 buds removed.
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I find they root easily are not prone to rotting so you don't have to pay as much attention as figs demand. You still need to feed them properly so you get a nice strong plant that you can plant in-ground the following year. Also if the ground is prepared you can plant the cutting in ground. But you need to manage the weeds or they will grow slow.
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I just stick 12" cuttings in a 5-gal pot and water enough they don't dry out. I separate them the following dormant season into individual pots. Very easy to root.
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Originally Posted by svanessa I just stick 12" cuttings in a 5-gal pot and water enough they don't dry out. I separate them the following dormant season into individual pots. Very easy to root.
~sounds like a plan ,i'm gonna try it,~thanks,~
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"Kyoho grape -Japan- seedless- anybody have any information?" __________________ Gordenia Gordenia I’ve been growing Kyoho grapes for around ten years now, am on my third vine after giving one away and one dying. The Kyoho grape vines San Gabriel Nursery sells are definitely with seeds -big ones. It doesn’t like the heat here. I thought my latest vine was dead also, but it seems to be reviving now from the bottom main stem. The grapes are larger than regular grapes but they don’t get to be giant size without special sprays and hormones. For this area, I think it’s over rated. It doesn’t ripen until late or even develop a consistent sweetness every year. Some years I’ve waited so long for them to become sweet that they start turning into raisins –seedy ones, if the birds don’t get them first. It might do better somewhere else. I had good luck rooting grape cuttings by putting them just inside the rim of my trees in fifteen and twenty gallon pots as I prune the vines. I make sure two or three nodes are underground. The larger the pot, the better it holds moisture, so rooting is almost painless. Late summer I transplant out those that have roots and toss the failed ones, adding fresh potting soil to replace that which is removed. As other people report, grape cuttings are easy to root.
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Gordenia
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Thank you. Very interesting- many growers very exited about this grape. Do you know a names of "special sprays and hormones" by any chance?
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Most of our small backyard vineyard (all red wine grapes) was started from UC Davis cuttings. I started them in milk carton type things with holes in them for drainage. Unlike figs, they love water and are almost as easy as Basil to root. Our grapes are head trained (like trees and not trellised) because of the big slope on which they are planted. Our property is on the edge of Temecula Valley Wine Country and the climate is perfect for grapes. It is rarely humid here and every afternoon the wind blows and the vines love it. They are easy to air layer, and if a cane is traveling along the ground, it will root in various spots. I am currently looking at ordering different seedless varieties for table grapes at the National Grapevine Registr y. This property is surrounded by very sturdy chain link fence, and would make a great support for vines. I'll probably flake and stick with what we have, but a nice seedless would be great mid summer. I could spend hours at the Registry. Wish there was one for figs! Suzi
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Gordenia
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Thank you. Do you have Manicure Finger Grape / China /?
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Originally Posted by Gordenia Thank you. Very interesting- many growers very exited about this grape. Do you know a names of "special sprays and hormones" by any chance?
Gordenia, I don’t know what spray they use, but I’m sure the information is on the Internet somewhere, such as the Fruit and Orchard Forum of what was Gardenweb.
Most grapes grow like weeds here, from my experience. My neighbor has Concord vines that swamp my back fence, and produce wonderful tasting seeded grapes. I’ve planted seeded grapes along the front fence for the neighborhood children to enjoy. Also a row of very crowded seedless grapes for my son. The major problem I’ve found is that the vines over produce, have to be thinned, pruned, and trained. Without thinning (a lot of work), sometimes they are the size of blueberries. Summer Royal has "eaten" one of the trees beside the house. Price, Diamond Muscat, Reliance, Thomcord, and several Muscats are some of my favorites. I grew up on muscadines and prefer the stronger taste of muscat type grapes than bland grocery store grapes. Several vines died in the furnace that was the late summer here last year, or went dormant. It will be interesting to see what sprouts out now. My grape guru was the late Lon Rombough who wrote The Grape Grower and sold me most of my cuttings. He referred me to a great nursery for grafted vines. I think his family still maintains his website: http://www.bunchgrapes.com/ . It has some of the best grape information anywhere for cooler climates.
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Gordenia
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Thank you for information. Do you have any cuttings for sale?
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Originally Posted by Gordenia Thank you for information. Do you have any cuttings for sale?
My poor Kyoho is just one poor stick barely surviving, so it's not good cutting material this year. Maybe next. The other grape vines have leafed out with sprays of "grape flowers", so it might be too late to take cuttings from them as well. We had temps in the nineties last week putting spring on fast forward. You would have better luck buying cuttings from places where grapes are still dormant. The Rombaugh family at bunchgrapes.com is still selling cuttings which is where I bought most of mine.
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Gordenia
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And we still have a snow on the ground!
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I have Neptune a white/green seedless grape . I sent a member cuttings a few years ago .....ummm forgot who ? I hope they grew . AUSTIN ZONE 5
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