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Tam

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This 35 years old tree is belong to one of my many Greek friends. She told me that her best friend who lived in the same town in Greece  left his country for the United States many years ago. At that time, he took with him more than 10 different figs cuttings. He grew all his fig trees in the ground at his house. Her fig tree was the cutting from one of her friend's fig tree collection. Her friend lived at that house for 65 years. He sold his house a few years ago. However, the new owner does not like figs much; therefore, he cut and trimmed most of his trees short. I passed by that house a few days ago and I still saw 3 fig trees in the front of the house and a few more fig trees in the back of the house. So, I guess the mother tree is at least 70 years old. By the way, the mother tree is Green Greek. I am asking the fig gurus out there, please let know if this is really the Green Greek. The figs taste very good with sweet, jammy, crunchy and figgy flavor.












































































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Great pictures Tam!
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Thanks Meghan

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So yummy looking!
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Tam, I really love your pictures. I get to see everything I am wondering about and the pics are always clear. Nicely done, please keep posting these!
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Thanks Tami.

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Very nice pictures and one great fig !
Will contact my friends in Greece to get
one or two young trees this fall

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Tam, the leaves are much different than Vasilika Seka and Stella.  I wonder how Green Greek fruit compares to those two varieties?
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Once again, nicely done Tam!
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Look very nice.  EXCELLENT job on the pictures.  hopefully some of our more experienced members will chime in later
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Thanks everyone. 

Steve: This Green Greek tree is not the same as Stella for sure, but I do not know if it is the same as Vasilika Sika or not. I tasted 2 Stella and 1 Dalmatie figs from Al's trees last week, but to me Green Greek figs have better taste than those 2 varieties. Thank you.

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Tam:I have your so called Green Greek,traced, from Greece ,identical to yours,and it came,to me under the Vasilika Sika Name.
However the Vasilika Sika Name is used in the US,for a fig that is ,called Dalmatie in Europe.
The same Dalmatie fig is found under other names here,and some are:
White Greek,Stella,San Pietro(in UCDavis catalog),etc.
One other poster from Greece posted last year ,2 kind of Vasilika Sika:
The white version,Identical to your fig and mine.
Dark version,a,much more elongated cauducous fig that need polinnation.
He also pointed out that the white version is much better tasting and a better over all plant.
So here you got my opinion.
I do have Dalmatie,and had in the past other similar to,Dalmatie figs,and ,can point out that is an excellent tasting fig,but the Vasilika Sika you and I have is indeed a notch better tasting,tho it ripes 2-3 weeks after Dalmatie.
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Excellent Pictures!!!
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That is one amazing fig. Good luck and good find! Nice pictures too.
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Herman2, thanks for the geneology information of these related fig varieties.  I feel like I need to draw up a diagram to keep it all straight though!

Tam, you have some great fig connections!
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Thanks everyone for the inputs. 


Herman2: Thank you very much for your helpful information about this fig. Should I let the owner know that her Green Greek is actually Vasilika Sika? 


Steve: You have Vasilika Sika too. Can you please let me know about the leaves of yours? Thank you.

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Looks just like my green Greek. My cuttings came to me as black Greek from Anton who posted on Garden web for a while. I thought he said he brought this back from Greece.

 


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KK: Thank you for posting your green Greek photos. The centers of your figs are hollows, maybe your tree is young. The color of the pulps are more like pinkish red. What are about the leaves, are they the same too? The outside of your figs is the as my Green Greek. The fully ripened figs of my Green Greek have purplish red pulps and they do not have hollow pulps. Thank you for watching my photos.

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I have several divisions of birds to the east, 1 division to the North and the main Army to the south.

 An almost ripe fig is a million times better than no fig at all :)

 

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KK:Your fig is identical to Adriatic JH,not to Vasilika Sika.
Tam:Yes you can tell the person,the fig is Vasilika Sika,Identical to mine that,came under VS Name from the beginning.
Look at the pixes of the fruits last year,3 years old plant,bad cool climate last year here,that is why fruit is dark green ,but look at the leaf,that tells it is the same cultivar as yours.
This year fruits are larger,only now it started ripening here,with another very bad unsuitable Summer ,tonight will be in the upper 30.
Tam:Trust me your plant is identical to mine

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KK: Thank you for your photos. I saw your tree has a few single lobed leaves whereas my Green Greek has no single lobed leaves, but they have mostly 3 and 5 lobed leaves. Maybe, single lobed leaves only shown up at young tree. Thank you.

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KK:Your fig is identical to Adriatic JH,not to Vasilika Sika.



That’s very interesting Herman. I’ve always thought Anton’s GG was very similar to JH but never quite as good. I received Anton’s GG cuttings about 7 years ago, a few years after receiving plants from JH. Are you saying you solved JH’s origin?
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Herman2: Thank you very much I will let the owner know that her tree is Vasilika Sika.

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Tam, my Vasilika Sika leaves (and those of others I have seen posted on the forum, I believe) have long, narrow finger-like lobes not unlike Brunswick and very similar to Stella.  According to Herman (above) mine and others called Vasilika Sika is actually Dalmatie.  I'll post the leaves tonight.
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it is very similar as  COL DE DAME
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Green Greek is one of the best green figs out there.  There is some confusion between Green Greek, Vasilika Sika, and White Greek.  In my climate, I've noticed that my JH Adriatic ripen earlier than my GG.  And my JHA figs are darker inside and much sweeter.  But don't get me wrong, GG is sweet but the taste is different than the others.  Vasilika Sika does have a different leaf pattern as stated by Rewton.  My White Greek is a green fig but turns a slight yellowish brown and green and is amber inside.  And yes, it is very sweet. 

Vasilika Sika figs have a much different shape compared to the others.  It's more elongated and the same is true with Stella.  White Greek is round like a golf ball.  I have a small Dalmatie and it did not fruit this year. 

Figs are so much fun!  I'm glad to see Herman and KK commenting on this variety. 
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Thanks everyone for the inputs on this tree.

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Way long back; I did some fig hunting in GreekTown, Baltimore MD.
The first two trees I encountered, it so happened that a very nice Greek lady
was in the backyard and was very happy to give some cuttings off her trees.
I assigned them as GT-1, 2 (GT stands for GreekTown). One did fruit for me;
the fruit being a very nice green skin and blood-red pulp.
I do not think I still have it any more.; but I did send a spare to Jon for his big collection....
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Thanks George for that history.  As you know, I have several of your trees.  I've always wondered what GT stood for.  thanks again,
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KK:I must be wrong about your plant being Adriatic jh,if you say is not as good.
If it does not taste as good then is not Identical to Adriatic Jh,it is only similar,in leaf shape.
What I can see different,is that Adriatic jh is solid inside and your fruits have a little hole in center.
Both discrepancies could be that your plant is young,or not as healthy as Adriatic jh.
The leaf positively is identical to Adriatic jh,so grow them side by side and decide if they are the same!.
Solving the Adriatic jh mistery?,No,I can't say,where it came from.
Possibly,Adriatic jh type cultivars are grown all over Europe,and every country has a different name for it.
This cultivar is too good to be grown in only one country.

On the tree I received as Vasilika Sika,from my source,there is not one fully grown entire leaf,only 5 lobes,and some time with thumbs.
Very rarely as an exception you can find a three lobes,but entire ,never.
Adriatic JH,has many entire leaves,and not because it is diseased but because that is how it is.
Here are pixes of fruits and leaf,of the tree I have as VS,taken today.
The plant is starting getting ripe the first fruit.
It is late but the climate here was very cool and rainy,plus the plant is 4 years old only,so I am sure it will ripe earlier in a Summer like 2010 Summer which we did not have past 3 years.
Most ,my trees included this one have leaf rust,another problem that was not present in the past,and fruits do not look their best,due to same problem.

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Dennis, did you get your GG from Dalton?
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James, yes.
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Dennis:You stated:White greek is round like a golf ball!.
Just Check Jon Verdick site for white Greek ,and you will see pixies,of white Greek,very much elongated fruits and leaves with long fingers.
And so is mine.
The interior color vary to how much rain is in the air and soil at ripening time,and can be from dark red to redish amber..
So check,John Verdick pixies,and compare to your golf ball style White Greek!
No offense,you might have a different plant tagged as White Greek!.
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Non taken VS.  I'll double check the pic.

I think Jon got his pics mixed up.  They've been mixed up in the past.  I told him about the mix up and he corrected them.  But that was last year on some other figs.   :)  I got 2 of Jon's White Greeks and 2 Vasilika Sika all 4 trees from Jon.  The White Greeks figs on my 2 trees are round with a slight split at the eye, but very sweet.  Well, one of us is wrong and I'll apologize if Im wrong.  I'll go take a look at my container trees and snaps some pictures and post them.

thanks,  More to come.....
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Jon has White Greek pics mixed up with Vasilika Sika.  This is one reason why I started a large collection of figs.

Jon, you need to double check your White Greek and Vasilika Sika pictures.  I think there is another mixup.

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OK,Dennis,Then I will be very interested to see what you have as white Greek,and so will be other people that have a Dalmatie type fig as White greek,and if I know for sure my plant is not White Greek,then I will tag it as what it is,""White greek not",tho it looks very very similar to the other Dalmatie type figs like Stella and San Pietro in UCD collection.
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As Tam requested, here are images of my Vasilika Sika.  According to my source it can be traced back to Belleclare stock.

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Here are  my look alike Dalmatie type:
Stella,From:One green world
Vasilika Sika(misnomer),3years old
Dalmatie(from Europe),4 yearsold
To me they are the same fig,long fingers,and elongated fruits with red interior,very good tasting and flavor.
I also had San Pietro,from UCDavis but died from fig m virus,and it fruited ,the same long fruits and same leaves shape.

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Herman, I read somewhere on the forum recently that the fruit size of Stella is larger than Vasilika Sika though I agree the leaves are nearly indistinguishable.  Is the fruit for your three trees the same?
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Yeah, I just triple checked my White Greek. My 2 came from Jon. They still have the white tag with "White Greek RK"

Here is the leaf pattern from my White Greek RK



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Thanks everyone.

Steve: Your Vasilika Sika looks like Dalmatie.

Herman2: This is Dalmatie (Gene Hosey) from Al's in Bethesda, Maryland:






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WellThe 8 Years old Stella get larger fruits than,the younger trees,but that is normal.
I had many instances when older tree makes larger fruits than trees under 5 years.
Stella Being older formed Embryos on June 5,while the other younger trees made embryos after June 15,but again it is normal,because of the age,
Forgotten to say,I also have an young White Greek I started from a cutting,I got in trade, this Spring and yes,it has the same leaf type,most likely is the same. 
I acquired it specifically to compare to the others.
These are all super tasty figs,do not get me wrong,but,if one has a healthy specimen of these there is not need to get them all.
On The other hand if someone have a diseased specimen I urge the person to look around and get a healthy plant as any of the above will do.
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Thanks Herman2.

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You Welcome Tam.
Dennis:The leaves on your White Greek are different than all the other Dalmatie type and similar to what I was given as Vasilika Sika from the Greek gardener in Mount Laurel.
It seem that there are 2 specimen of White Greek in The trade:
One  is a misnamed Dalmatie,with long finger like leaves;
The other have five thick lobes,and more rounded fruits.
This second one also go by the name Vasilika Sika!!!!!
???The Vasilika Sika in the trade in the US,is a Dalmatie type with long fingers,a misnomer,in fact.
The plant in the Fig for fun varieties,site ,named White Greek ,is represented by the wrong pixies,of a Dalmatie type fig!!!
All in all a big mess!,but whoever read this probably will make sense of it all.
If Dennis could show a pix of his white Greek ripe fruits,That will clear the air even better.
Meanwhile I have to change the tag on my White Greek,with long fingers to,Dalmatie.
And also finally I realized I have a real white Greek(no reason to look for one) with five thick lobes,it is here under the name Vasilika Sika
My head hurts,but I got it,I hope,LOL

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It seem that Green Greek,White Greek,and Vasilika Sika are one and same fig with 5 thick lobes  leaves,and more rounded fruits,very different compared to Dalmatie type ,that have elongated fruits and long linear finger like leaves.
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I got White Greek fruit pics somewhere. I'll post pics soon. My Vasilika Sika and Dalmatie match the same long fingers as yours and Tam. The elongated fruit also matches. But my 2 White Greek RK is totally different.
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My green greek is pretty good but never seems to be as good as jh




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KK:I must be wrong about your plant being Adriatic jh,if you say is not as good.
If it does not taste as good then is not Identical to Adriatic Jh,it is only similar,in leaf shape.
What I can see different,is that Adriatic jh is solid inside and your fruits have a little hole in center.
Both discrepancies could be that your plant is young,or not as healthy as Adriatic jh.
The leaf positively is identical to Adriatic jh,so grow them side by side and decide if they are the same!.
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Thanks everyone. 

Are you all ready and prepare to see a series of 5 Green Creek Unknown? I think they are different and all of them taste very good. Please check back often. Thank you for watching my photos.

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Hi! Everyone,

To make better understand and from confusion in the future, I call the first posted Green Greek, Vasilika Sika name.

This is Green Greek Unknown No. 1. The figs and leaves from this tree are different from the Vasilika Sika. The color of the pulps was red when fully mature. They were taste jammy, crunchy, sweet with berry flavors only they are fully ripe. This tree began to ripen in early September. The taste is similar to Vasilika Sika. Thank you for watching my photos.

















































































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This second fig has the same type of leaf,except,you can find entire leaf ,here and there.
Also the fruits seem a little smaller.
It seem very similar to Adriatic JH.
Out of these 2,The plant that is darker red inside is Vasilika Sika.
I will say it different:Out of the 5 figs you have there the one with the darkest red inside is Vasilika Sika.
But it needs to have the general shape of the first tree you presented.
It is possible there was more than one selection,when the mother tree struck fertile seeds of the common type and ,self fertile seedlings grew on a large area and were selected by different people,so now there are more than one sister tree in gardens of Greece.
They are more or less similar,but not identical.
Your job is to continue selection,find the best tasting best adapted to adverse conditions out of the five.
In my opinion the best tasting usually has the darkest interior.
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Herman2: Thank you. You are very good to tell the differences. This one and the Vasilika Sika had differences in taste. I will take more full photos of this tree when I have a chance to come there again. I have a few more other different trees and all of these trees have purplish red pulps when they are fully ripe. Thank you. 

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