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Greenhouse Capri Project

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Originally Posted by Bass
I got a couple capri and a couple smyrna type figs growing already. I'm interested in ones that ripens the same time as my smyrna figs. 


Will the ripening time in CA be the same as in PA?

Thank you Dennis.

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Originally Posted by Bass
I got a couple capri and a couple smyrna type figs growing already. I'm interested in ones that ripens the same time as my smyrna figs. 


Are your existing capris out of sync with your Smyrnas?  That's not good  :)  I was hoping if they were dormant at the same time they'd be in sync.  Do you know what capris they are?

I imagine any caprifig in CA would ripen figs well before the same capri in PA just because the PA plants would be dormant longer. 

Bass,you're just going to have to order all of them from Aaron and UCD and tell us which ones end up working for you.  :)

Aaron, we need you to name them something and label them so we're all talking about the same variety as we compare notes.  I'm sure you've already done this.

Best of luck to us all!

The best way to insure there are Wasps when your She Figs are ready to conceive is to have several with little off timings from each other.

Tat's the reason I have put together 4 different active varieties of Capri.
This will provide prolonged pollination season for many types of Smyrna, San Pedro and even Common Figs.

There are certain Capri figs that release their wasps earlier or later than others. I would like to grow some that ripens at different time, so it matches the main crop of the smyrna types I grow.  UCD has different capri types planted among their orchard. 

yes Bass, hence the 4 different varieties of the Capri in my package. I thought I was clear about this :)

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Originally Posted by Bass
There are certain Capri figs that release their wasps earlier or later than others. I would like to grow some that ripens at different time, so it matches the main crop of the smyrna types I grow.  UCD has different capri types planted among their orchard. 


Right. But do you know if the timing at your place would be the same as in CA? You may need several different varieties to choose one or more at the end.

@Aaron, I really like your idea, I think it will be a nice project to trial. You did mention the 4 varieties do extend the pollination season, i was just going off what you've mentioned.
@greenfig, I'm sure ripening time is different, although in the greenhouse, climate can be controlled to match the season in Cali, somewhat.

My greenhouse climate is modeled after central CA, say Modesto. It's not that hard here because our average temperatures each month are very near Modesto. Here the issue outdoors is wild swings in temperature and late freezes that don't occur in CA.

Any heated greenhouse in a temperate climate can be made to mimic CA to some degree. The biggest difference will be humidity and sunlight. That's not an issue here as we average 75% sunshine all year long.

That's an interesting question in itself and I am sure many people looked in to this, I just do not have a greenhouse and do not know the specifics.

If one wants to mimic a particular climate, what variables are the most important? I believe different plants would would be affected by different things.
The figs do care about the average temperature, min/max temp., sunlight, humidity.
Anything else, like pressure, watering schedule, microelements in water , etc.?

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Originally Posted by Bass
@Aaron, I really like your idea, I think it will be a nice project to trial. You did mention the 4 varieties do extend the pollination season, i was just going off what you've mentioned.
@greenfig, I'm sure ripening time is different, although in the greenhouse, climate can be controlled to match the season in Cali, somewhat.
Thanks Bassem,

This is going to be a very interesting and important project for the fig world.

If you had a heated Greenhouse , you would be an ideal candidate with your varieties and expertise... :)

I'm done with the Capri cuttings.

Many thanks for the participants, The Pioneers, of the "Greenhouse Capri Project".

The packages will go out tomorrow morning.

Happy Figging :)

Received my capri fig cutting. All the cuttings look awsome. Going to root them on,sunday. Many thanks Aaron going to be a very cool project. Have my,second greenhouse up and running. Strickly figs. I will keep updating my post with the progress. Richie from louisiana

Good luck, everyone.

Here are some of my thoughts/experiences on the matter.  I've rooted cuttings and done airlayers, both with and without mamme or mammoni fruits on them at the time (maybe profichi also, though I don't recall).  I believe bare rooting a plant with fruits on them will probably result in the fruits dropping.  Unfortunately, I found that the new plants did not produce the next generation of fruits even when I was able to get it to hold onto the fruits that were on it when I airlayered it or rooted it.  This means the wasps will have no place to lay eggs for the next generation of wasps.  When wasps were first successfully introduced to the U.S. I believe they transported a fairly large tree by ship so this allowed the generations of wasps to continue.  Trying to introduce wasps from one area of the country to a caprifig tree in another part of the country can be quite challenging as the timing of wasps emerging can vary greatly even within different parts of California.  In the 1900 Yearbook of Agriculture previously posted by Francisco ("lampo"), there was discussion about the consider difference in wasp emergence in Fresno and Niles (Niles is now part of the city of Fremont).  I'm guessing that a caprifig tree grown in a north side of a residence would have a later generation of wasps than a tree grown facing south of out in the open where it is always receiving sunlight during the day.  I'm very interested in this project and hope someone is able to have success but I'm guessing it's going to take at least a year before someone can get a tree to consistently produce three generations of fruits and then several efforts to ship fruits with emerging wasps to help get the timing right so that the fruits on the new trees get wasp eggs in them.

Here is a like to the 1900 Yearbook of Agriculture, begin reading at page 79.  I believe Francisco had posted a better link with text that was searchable but am unable to locate that right now. 

https://books.google.com/books?id=Cho4AQAAMAAJ&dq=fig%20culture%20in%20california%20yearbook%20of%20agriculture%201900&pg=PA79#v=onepage&q=fig%20culture%20in%20california%20yearbook%20of%20agriculture%201900&f=false

Originally Posted by rcantor 
Aaron, we need you to name them something and label them so we're all talking about the same variety as we compare notes.  I'm sure you've already done this.

Best of luck to us all!



Bob, thanks for the suggestion, I have marked all the cuttings as follows.
1) B.C. = Black Capri
2) Y.C. = Yellow Capri
3) P.C. = Purple Capri
4) G.C. = Green Capri

you will find matching names on Post #1 with pictures.

Harvey,
thanks for your input.
you are right, it will require a complete cycle of year before Wasps are introduced to the growing cuttings.
That would be in Spring (I think) of 2016, by that time all the eatable fig trees will be 1or 2 year old anyway for most "Greenhouse Capri Project" participants. 

For example: The first Capri tree transplant that I had from last year (which happens to be this same G.C. above) has only 1 (ONE) capri at the tip of it but...I am sure that there is a wasp colony inside it waiting to emerge as the weather warms up. It had 3 and as they ripened one by one (because the weather was warm) the wasps transferred from one fig to another. From ripe Capri to green, hard, unripe Capri and now is the last Capri, still very hard and green with very tightly closed ostiole.
This is the season where one will see the least Capri on trees. But they are full of Wasp Colonies, just waiting... :)

Feb 24, 2014 all the capri figs eventually fell as the tree was establishing roots
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Aug 28, 2014  New generation of Capri Figs "Mamme" developing, only to mature in Spring. This is when I introduced Wasps to these Capri Figs, by cutting open any random Capri from mother tree and throwing it under this baby Capri tree.
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This is today, I just went down the Fig Terrace to take the picture.
The only Capri Fig "Mamme" remaining in the tree that holds the "Precious Cargo" entire new (small) colony of the wasps, introduced last August.
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Aaron, I can maybe help out and ship you caprifigs from here a couple of times so that you can distribute to the folks participating in the project since the chances of getting something to work out timing wise should be better if we work together.  I know that when I spoke to Bass a couple of summers ago his common figs were not receptive until around a month after my caprifigs had wasps emerging so I'm guessing the same thing may happen with the caprifigs in this project, though indoor growing conditions can help.

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Harvey, 
Thanks for your thoughtful gesture. 
We might need your back up in this, although, interestingly enough this Church Parking Lot Capri trees produce non-stop, all year around. It's an amazing phenomenon...
Even Francisco had hard time believing it until I showed him the tree's pictures in different seasons.
It must be the conditions... location of growth, the sun and moisture...Ideal somehow...

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Church black or Church white? I forget and have both.  Will be interesting to see if it performs the same here.  No fruit on those yet and they are in pots.

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Harvey,
Church Purple and Green (White) and Bev Hilld Old Lady's "Black"
You'll start seeing capri figs on them in Spring.
I sent them to you there kinds..

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If you have extra I will take one.

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I just stumbled upon this thread and this is something that sounds like an excellent idea. Anyone care to post any updates on their success? My greenhouse has not yet been constructed (Zone 8a for those interested), but once I have that in place I am very interested in fig breeding/caprification

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Aaron is no longer here.  You need to collect caprifigs and get at least 1 in the group producing each of the 3 crops of figs consistently.  No one fig has to produce all 3 crops but among all the fig plants each of the 3 crops must be represented year in, year out.  Then you need to get the wasp sent to you.

Read these threads and start growing caprifigs.

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/johns-market-capri-6904497

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/pix-black-prince-capri-6949118

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/lack-of-water-or-capri-fig-6971257 to see caprifigs and the wasp.

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/johns-market-capri-6904497

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/looking-for-named-caprifigs-7257061

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/best-caprifigs-for-seed-production-and-best-for-good-tasting-fruit-6763427



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Thank you for the reply rcantor, I will read through those links and will likely start collecting some caprifigs next season. Would anyone in this thread have any interest in sending me some cuttings next season? 

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Thank you for the reply and the generous offer, I am unsure if I will be able to attend but if not I will certainly keep my eye out for other caprifig cuttings and such in the winter

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This is my Capri fig. Its ripe. And i am in need of wasps real bad !!!! Who volunteered to supply wasps. I think his name is somewhere in this thread. ;-)

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