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Heres some pictures of a tree that I started from cuttings a local Italian guy has this tree in his yard and it stands about 18 ft tall 2 years ago he gave me cuttings and I started about 6 trees he doesn't know what variety the tree is I thought someone here could help identify it? The figs are very sweet and delicious . 

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hey dave im no expert but it looks to be a brown turkey or black mission im new to this forum and just getting my feet wet do you have any suggestions where i can get some cuttings for the s+h fee only

Looks nothing like my Monrovia BT and way too small to be BM.  Looks more like Hardy Chicago to me or some Mt Etna-based fig.  I suspect that Gorgi might have some input on this.

  • PHD

Dave,
 It looks very similar to a rooted tree I received from a friend that originally brought it over from Sicily. Interstingly this tree is almost identical to the Brown Turkey (labeled that way) I got from Miller Nursery. Does yours have a berry flavor in addition to being very sweet?

 Pete

i know im not crazy i thought it looked like a bt it looks a little smaller but i agree bt 

Doesn't look like BT leaf.

Looks like a Hardy Chicago type fig.  There are other varieties that are of a similar type, for example Dark Portuguese and Sal's EL.  I have an unknown I've been calling Joe's Jersey that is also of this type.  These are good figs.  Good find.


I know it is not a Brown Turkey 

 
Does yours have a berry flavor in addition to being very sweet?
 
 
I only had a few last year and I don't remember if it had a berry flavor hopefully in a couple of weeks this years crop will be ripe and I can determine better the flavor

The leaves look a lot like my UC Davis 187-25, but it's a green fig. I don't think it's a Portugese variety. The leaves don't resemble my Black mission either. Could it be a black Greek, or black Lebanese? I don't have either one. I agree with Jon, it doesn't look like a BT leaf.

Guys listen to Jason he has 3,000 posts and 2800 are about BT

The leaf looks very similar to my sals gene (mt etna type) 

The leaves, fruit color and size look like Sals from the old Bellaclaire nursery.  A professor friend of mine had a student from NY pick one up for him years ago and he gave me some plants.  The long pointed center leaf section is almost identical to mine.

Here are a couple of old posts that should shed some light on this subject.




http://figs4fun.com/Links/FigLink1110.pdf (Notice on page 687 that Sal's, Dark No. 1 Portuguese, Abruzzi, and "Hearty" [sic] Chicago and all very close genetically.)

Hardy Chicago is a variety that is typical of the fig trees grown in the area around Mt. Etna, Sicily.  These trees were brought to the America by Italian immigrants many years ago.  The variety "Hardy Chicago" was first distributed by Fred Born, who discovered the tree growing in the yard of an Italian immigrant in Chicago (see Ray Givan's New Fig Booklet for details).  I agree with Jason that the tree that Dave found closely resembles Hardy Chicago.  It could be Hardy Chicago.  It could be a closely related fig from the same area in Italy.

All these Hardy Chicago type figs that are popping up may turn out to be the same variety just exhibiting different traits when grown in different areas.  They may all end up being closely related but unique varieties.  Or they may end up being different strains of one variety that are only very slightly different from each other.

The unknown that I have that I've called Joe's Jersey is from a tree that was planted well before Hardy Chicago was in trade as a named variety.  The leaves, growth habit, and fruit look almost identical to Hardy Chicago.  But the tree starts forming fruit earlier in the season than Hardy Chicago and the fruit has a different flavor than Hardy Chicago.  Only a close comparison over several seasons will tell if Dave's tree is Hardy Chicago, a new strain of Hardy Chicago that is only slightly different, or a closely related variety.

And to add to the confusion there may be a few different varieties that are in trade under the name Hardy Chicago.  Oh the world of figs...

Joe, here's some pictures of the 2nd link that you provided the leaves and the 2 figs on the bottom sure look identical to the tree that I have  I believe it may  be a match Hardy Chicago aka Mongibello fig


here is another good link   

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Assuming that it is a Sal's fig with some heritage from Belleclare Nursery LI, NY;

it is definitely NOT a Sal (Corleone #31), but most likely the 'other' Sal (BC#39).

 

39. SICILIAN BLACK (Sal's) (Fico Nera) (a) medium large, dark black, red center, very juicy & sweet (2 crops) 

 

Although the fruit is very similar to the more available (HC) EL/Gene strains;

I think that it is a different close-cousin;

my tree produces thinner-twigs and smaller-leaves...

Here Is A Photo Of The Mother Tree

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Looks very similar to one I have. I bought it from a local person who doesn't know it's identity other than he got a start from an older italian guy. It's flavor is almost like Hardy Chicago but not quite as sweet and the size is slightly smaller but not by much. Thinking it's a variety of HC.

  • PHD

I agree its not a Brown Turkey. I also believe the BT I got from Miller Nursery is not a true BT but a Mt Etna type that is related to HC and Sals but not the same. I have a HC and Dark Portuguese and the leaves are a little different and the taste is not quite as sweet but a little more "fruity". Either way its a very good fig. When I first came on the forum I could not understand why everyone hated BT but now I know the BT I had was not a BT!
  Pete

Pete,

 

See Jon's presentation for CRFG here: http://figs4fun.com/basics_Taste.html

 

Note comment #5 about Brown Turkey.

Thanks everyone for helping me try to identify this fig  this is the 3rd year I have these trees I will watch them closely as the figs progress  and pay more attention to the flavor when they ripen and add some new photos along the way, 


thanks again Dave

  • PHD

Dave,
 I was looking at the picture you posted of the mother tree ... that is a huge tree. I gather it is left unprotected during the winter time? Being you live in Connecticut that is a very cold hearty tree.

 Pete

PHD, I was thinking the same thing. Is the mother tree protected suring the winter?  Dave, are your trees going to go in-ground?  Thanks for sharing.

The mother tree is protected during the winter he wraps it with old carpet and blue tarps "lots of work" My Trees Are Still In Pots

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