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xenil

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Posted 1349884399	Reply with quote #1

Hello guys! I saw some hardy pomegranates on the internet, I read the Kazake the hardiest, but nowhere can i found how hardy, and i couldn't see a garden where i can buy them in europe. And what is the lowest temperature can it survive. I want to ask it because i want to grow them in the ground in zone 6b in hungary. And we sometimes have -20 C but not usually. __________________ Kristian Location:Hungary,zone 6B Currently growing: Freckled Beauty, Saint Anthony, Saint Maritn, Martinete (Pérola), Armenian, White Marseilles, Ronde De Bordeaux, Hardy Chicago, Marseilles Vs Black, Gino's Black, Natailna, Sal's El, Laradek Ebt, Green Michurinska, Michurinska 10 , Vagabond, Negretta, Negronne, Orsara, Dalmatie, Laradek Ebt, Adriatic Jh, Improved Celeste, Kútfeji Black, Black Plate, Deszki mézédes

timclymer

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Posted 1349887775	Reply with quote #2

Bass (on the forum) probably has the most experience in growing cold-hardy pomegranates. I was able to root 3 varieties this year from cuttings via UC Davis: Salavatski, Kazake, and Entek Habi Saveh. I think I had read somewhere that these were the most cold-hardy. I think Bass has mentioned that his Salavatski has survived -8F with little to no damage. __________________ http://threefoldfarm.org - Fig trees and farm updates https://www.facebook.com/ThreefoldFarm South Central PA (6b,7a) Want List: Ital 258, any figs found growing in PA, NJ, or NY

Bass

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Posted 1349890558	Reply with quote #3

I grow salavatski and others but the only one that has been productive for me is salvatski. I have over 25 on the tree right now. I picked some that were ripe and they are excellent this year. Attached Images image.jpg (856.82 KB, 117 views) __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

xenil

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Posted 1349890775	Reply with quote #4

Hello Thanks for the replies. Those pomegranates looks delicous. But i have a question for you bass what is the lowest temperature is it survived? And what is your hardiest pomegranate the slavatski or? __________________ Kristian Location:Hungary,zone 6B Currently growing: Freckled Beauty, Saint Anthony, Saint Maritn, Martinete (Pérola), Armenian, White Marseilles, Ronde De Bordeaux, Hardy Chicago, Marseilles Vs Black, Gino's Black, Natailna, Sal's El, Laradek Ebt, Green Michurinska, Michurinska 10 , Vagabond, Negretta, Negronne, Orsara, Dalmatie, Laradek Ebt, Adriatic Jh, Improved Celeste, Kútfeji Black, Black Plate, Deszki mézédes

Bass

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Posted 1349896030	Reply with quote #5

Out of 5 varieties I planted 3 are still alive. One variety the Russian pomegranate died to the ground and sprouted. Wonderful died to the ground and never sprouted back. Salavatski and Kazake both survived 2 winters ago -8°F, The only damage on the Salavatski was one branch that was bearing lots of fruit previous season. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

Bass

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Posted 1349896241	Reply with quote #6

Here's a video with showing the Pomegranates and other fruit trees. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

ejp3

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Posted 1349909947	Reply with quote #7

How can you tell when they are ripe and should be picked? __________________ Ed NY zone 7 Wish list CDD Blanca/Negra

Pattee

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Posted 1349912892	Reply with quote #8

Are there dwarf varieties of pomegranate ? Bass what is the variety of paw paw that grows like a grapevine? I couldn't make it out on the video. Thanks... __________________ 7a & 9b ►I assume all my figs carry FMV ◄ Seeking : Italian 376,395 , Galicia Negra, Negretta,UNK Pastilliere ,Pananas Purple, Malta Blk+purple/red, Italian + Calabrian UNK's , Catanzaro, Malone, Sucrette(Baud) "We may have our private opinions but why should they be a bar to the meeting of hearts?" - Gandhi

strudeldog

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Posted 1349922445	Reply with quote #9

I just picked up 8 more cultivars last weekend. Besides the Salavatski and Kazke listed prior, Kaj-acik-anor, Surh-anor and Sumbar are reported some of the more hardy. Early ripening can be as big a factor in a colder climate as well. As far as I know Eight Ball is mostly an ornamental type. For ripening I think it is best to wait until the skin starts to taunt up a bit and become a little leathery at least that's what I have tried with my limited experience. If it starts to split pick it. Color of the skin or the arils is not always a good indication and as stated not all cultivars are the Red of the familiar "Wonderful" cultivar found in the U.S. marketplaces. __________________ Phil N.GA. Zone 7 Looking for: De La Reina, Del La Senyora, Martinenca Rimada, Parfum De Cafards, Ponte Tresa, Sangue Dulce, Emalyn's Purple, and on and on

Boris

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Posted 1349924564	Reply with quote #10

Xenil, In former Yugoslavia they had a variety Uzbekski Sladki Nar which is translated as Sweet Uzbek Pomegranate. This one could very likely be Kazake, as Kazake is a sweeter variety compared to Salavatski which is from Uzbekistan as well. So you can try to find that variety through some ethnic Hungarians who live in former Yugoslav republics and are members of the gardening forums. Also, as a member said above, you can look for an early ripening variety which will not necessarily be cold hardy. Instead you could make every winter a box around it and fill it with leafs, hay, or straw for insulation.

Bass

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Posted 1349927642	Reply with quote #11

Patee, the vine is hardy kiwi. The Russian might be similar, but not the same hardiness. Since the Russian keeps dying down. Eight ball is very sour, not edible. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

nkesh099

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Posted 1349929955	Reply with quote #12

Entekhabi Saveh is a cold hardy one. Does well in zone 6 without little to no protection. Navid.

Pattee

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Posted 1349968097	Reply with quote #13

Thanks Alan , I going to look into these as I'd like to plant a few varieties at our FL home - so cold hardy is not an issue. Bass thanks - lol I didn't realize it was a kiwi - I was so intent on trying to hear what you said instead ! From what I just read Eight Ball is also edible - but not sure about the taste! Does anyone grow or tried Angel Red? __________________ 7a & 9b ►I assume all my figs carry FMV ◄ Seeking : Italian 376,395 , Galicia Negra, Negretta,UNK Pastilliere ,Pananas Purple, Malta Blk+purple/red, Italian + Calabrian UNK's , Catanzaro, Malone, Sucrette(Baud) "We may have our private opinions but why should they be a bar to the meeting of hearts?" - Gandhi

strudeldog

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Posted 1349979533	Reply with quote #14

I have an Angel Red, mine should fruit next year I hope. I have tried the fruit and it is a softer seed as I recall with good flavor. I have tasted Eight Ball as well, that's why I referred to it as a ornamental. I think the color is why it was selected, not the taste. In FL you have a wide selection that will grow well for you U.F. has a project evaluating many types. See link below with a lot of great info in the drop down menu. I prefer a sweet/tart mix but there are ones without tartness. http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/extension/pomegranates/ __________________ Phil N.GA. Zone 7 Looking for: De La Reina, Del La Senyora, Martinenca Rimada, Parfum De Cafards, Ponte Tresa, Sangue Dulce, Emalyn's Purple, and on and on

Pattee

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Posted 1349982172	Reply with quote #15

Quote: Originally Posted by strudeldog I have an Angel Red, mine should fruit next year I hope. I have tried the fruit and it is a softer seed as I recall with good flavor. I have tasted Eight Ball as well, that's why I referred to it as a ornamental. I think the color is why it was selected, not the taste. In FL you have a wide selection that will grow well for you U.F. has a project evaluating many types. See link below with a lot of great info in the drop down menu. I prefer a sweet/tart mix but there are ones without tartness. http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/extension/pomegranates/ Thanks for this Strudeldog !! __________________ 7a & 9b ►I assume all my figs carry FMV ◄ Seeking : Italian 376,395 , Galicia Negra, Negretta,UNK Pastilliere ,Pananas Purple, Malta Blk+purple/red, Italian + Calabrian UNK's , Catanzaro, Malone, Sucrette(Baud) "We may have our private opinions but why should they be a bar to the meeting of hearts?" - Gandhi

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Posted 1349987297	Reply with quote #16

Salavatski, suhr anor, kazake, kaj acikanor, eight ball, favorite(lyubimi), flora plena, dk from shevlon and state fair all grow well in zone 7. __________________ Derek Morris

WillsC

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Posted 1349987560	Reply with quote #17

I am part of the study Strudeldog mentioned. I have been growing: Afganski Azadi Desertnyi Gissarskii Rozovyi Grenada Nikitski ranni Parfyanka Sakerdze Salavatski Shirin Zigar Sin-Pepe Vkusnyi Wonderful Russian #8 Vietnam (Big yellow) Just this morning I made the 3 hour trek south and picked up 13 more varieties: asperonski tabestani sirenevyr al sirin nor kunduzski angel red kazake surh anor christina kaj acik anor mejhos 6269 girkanet saartazski

xenil

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Posted 1350051015	Reply with quote #18

Hello Guys! Thanks for all reply. -8 F* is very good for a pomegranate, so i think i will try the slavatski, and kazake in the ground with a little protection. WillSc can you take up some pictures from Kazake? From the tree and the fruit. __________________ Kristian Location:Hungary,zone 6B Currently growing: Freckled Beauty, Saint Anthony, Saint Maritn, Martinete (Pérola), Armenian, White Marseilles, Ronde De Bordeaux, Hardy Chicago, Marseilles Vs Black, Gino's Black, Natailna, Sal's El, Laradek Ebt, Green Michurinska, Michurinska 10 , Vagabond, Negretta, Negronne, Orsara, Dalmatie, Laradek Ebt, Adriatic Jh, Improved Celeste, Kútfeji Black, Black Plate, Deszki mézédes

WillsC

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Posted 1350059991	Reply with quote #19

Quote: Originally Posted by xenil Hello Guys! Thanks for all reply. -8 F* is very good for a pomegranate, so i think i will try the slavatski, and kazake in the ground with a little protection. WillSc can you take up some pictures from Kazake? From the tree and the fruit. My Kazake is a 1 gallon in a pot:) calling it a tree is generous. Far as the fruit check back in 3 years lol.

Bass

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Posted 1350071240	Reply with quote #20

I was recently contacted by a man who collected a pomegranate while Ashgabat, Turkmenistan. He brought the seeds home and planted them and one tree survived for several years and has lots of fruits. This tree grown here in Pennsylvania. He invited me to come visit him. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

HarveyC

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Posted 1354434546	Reply with quote #21

I just "discovered" this thread and some of you know I spend most of my pomegranate discussion time on a Yahoo group I started five years ago. There are probably some pomegranate plants sold under the name "Russian", "Russian 8", and "Giant Russian" which are, in fact, Salavatski. The confusion was created mostly because one hobby grower relied on Sharpie markers to really be permanent and discovered too late that they weren't. There could very well be trees with different genetics called "Russian". There are a lot of Russian pomegranates. Kazake was mentioned somewhere above as being sweet. It is a sweet-tart type, similar to Salavatski. In the 2009 tasting at Wolfskill when I believe it was last included for tasting, the order of fruits from sweetest to most tart included Kazake at #10 and Salvatski was #11. By comparison, Parfianka was #7. Here is a photo from another member of the pomegranate discussion group which shows Kazake in the middle and Salavatski on the right: Group is located at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PomWorldwide/ Someone mentioned the taste of Angel Red. I have 8 trees of Angel Red in my orchard. It doesn't ripen nearly as early as advertised, at least in my location. When I let the fruit get very ripe in late October it was quite good. I supplied fruit of it to Jeff at Davis and it was included at the Wolfskill tasting earlier this month and it was pretty well received but the seeds were harder than Wonderful, IMO. The fruits are also smaller. My earliest variety is Granada and it was spoiled already by late October. I am also growing a couple of Kandahar Early but it's not producing yet. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

fildz

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Posted 1355050470	Reply with quote #22

food of the gods..full of antioxidants

fildz

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Posted 1355125334	Reply with quote #23

there are so many varieties.....

zene

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Posted 1355125398	Reply with quote #24

i heard the russian varieties are so delicious

HarveyC

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Posted 1355131298	Reply with quote #25

Zene, my crop this year was large enough to ship mail orders of pomegranates to quite a few customers. One customer in NYC is a big fan and ordered three times, getting 140 pounds of them. He was very enthusiastic, to say the least. I sent him sweet types, sweet-tart types, etc., about 12-15 varieties altogether. Some other people hadn't tried more than 1 or 2 varieties before and had a fun time with a tasting part of their own. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

WillsC

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Posted 1355143124	Reply with quote #26

Harvey, You are responsible for me having 26 pom varieties:) You were very helpful when I was researching growing poms here in Florida and when you directed me to Dr. Castle it was cased closed.

HarveyC

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Posted 1355152569	Reply with quote #27

You're welcome....I think! ;) I'm up to around 70 varieties now but have resorted to removing some inferior ones to allow room for something better. I've used grafting in some cases but have had some grafts fail after over a year so I am not relying on that method very much. I hope they are working out great for you. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

WillsC

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Posted 1355161706	Reply with quote #28

I didn't say thank you :) lol. We shall see in a couple years. I do enjoy the poms though and trading the varieties helped me get a LOT of fig cuttings so it is all good.

oldvt

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Posted 1355440047	Reply with quote #29

Is there a place to buy pomegranate cuttings, Rex. __________________ Looking to trade an IT 258 for basses Red Leb or a O Rourke for a Hunt.

strudeldog

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Posted 1355441804	Reply with quote #30

Rex, One great source of Pomegranate Cuttings is UC Davis if you ordering fig cuttings they can be ordered and sent at the same time. Several places are selling more cultivars now, but I really don't know who sells cuttings. I have 3 young cultivars I take a few cuttings from if you have interest. I have about 12 more cultivars I just picked up this fall as started cuttings. Some places like Green seas farms are selling a bunch of cultivars and reasonable priced at $10 for a started plant. __________________ Phil N.GA. Zone 7 Looking for: De La Reina, Del La Senyora, Martinenca Rimada, Parfum De Cafards, Ponte Tresa, Sangue Dulce, Emalyn's Purple, and on and on

HarveyC

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Posted 1355441888	Reply with quote #31

USDA GRIN at Davis has provided cuttings in the past but their ordering deadline is past. I sold cuttings last year and will probably do it again this coming January or February if there is sufficient interest. I will probably post a notice in the PomWorldwide Yahoo group but you can send me an email in late January, if you'd like. I'm not prepared to take a list of requests now. Use my email address of harveycorreia at yahoo dot com or just join the pom group linked above (post #29). __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

gorgi

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Posted 1355444076	Reply with quote #32

I love the pomegranate fruit. They are a pain in the butt to peel/release the pulpy seeds from the skin, but then they are delicious... One pomegranate that was mentioned here as being more hardy, is the "Salavatski". Amongst other vendors; RollingRiverNursery has 2 such (rooted) plants left in stock... http://www.rollingrivernursery.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=627&category_id=37&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26 __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

strudeldog

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Posted 1355444196	Reply with quote #33

Harvey, Curious what cultivars you are culling, and hoping It doesn't overlap to much with my recent acquired list. Mother nature I am sure will provide the initial culling for me hoping she leaves me a few options. Any Softer seeded ones you think might be hardy? I picked up a Sumbar, think there was a thread on your forum regarding it might be hardy or at least early. __________________ Phil N.GA. Zone 7 Looking for: De La Reina, Del La Senyora, Martinenca Rimada, Parfum De Cafards, Ponte Tresa, Sangue Dulce, Emalyn's Purple, and on and on

WillsC

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Posted 1355446192	Reply with quote #34

Cindy at Green Sea farms is going to sell cuttings this winter @ I think $4 per. They have maybe 80 different varieties. They also sell one gallon plants ($10) and liners ($5).

HarveyC

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Posted 1355446382	Reply with quote #35

I'm not culling too much, just preparing cuttings from pruning. I am getting rid of one of two 'Evernsweet' and getting rid of my one 'Sweet'. I have about 70 varieties with about 60 in the ground. My price will probably be something like $2 per cutting with $10 minimum and lower prices for quantity orders, etc. Still need to figure out what makes sense for the time involved, etc. I have about 140 trees, so have plenty to select from but preparing cuttings and shipping is time consuming, not much of a money-maker. I also have about 300 potted trees for sale. Write me off list since this is a fig forum. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

juicebud

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Posted 1355448661	Reply with quote #36

I'm just going to state the obvious here.............What the heck does pomegranates have anything to do with figs? __________________ That wicked tongue

HarveyC

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Posted 1355451820	Reply with quote #37

Not much, maybe a little more than the discussions of prickly pear, guava, etc. http://www.ebay.com/itm/110947311747 :) I have suggested that folks take this discussion to the pomegranate discussion group I started where I do restrict posts to pomegranate-related topics. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

juicebud

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Posted 1355453387	Reply with quote #38

Alright man, you got me there.It's that picture. __________________ That wicked tongue

figfan_hungary

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Posted 1359763572	Reply with quote #39

Hello all, I'm also from Hungary and know Xenil from a Hungarian gardener's forum. However, from a different region and topographic conditions, a zone 8 climate, we have fig trees, olives, loquats, laurel trees, etc, Xenil knows it from that forum. So I'm also interested in collecting pomegranate cultivars, not only the hardiest ones, I'd like to concentrate to fruit quality (size, flavor, quality of seeds, etc.) so cold hardiness is a great plus, but not a must. I'm open to exchanges, I'd like to obtain many of these Central Asian, Russian varieties especially Parfianka, Savatsky, and all others. I have enough place for them so I could collect, let's say 20-30 varieties. I OFFER: -Several figs as you can see here: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/exchange-cuttings-europe-%28Ihave-50-varieties%29-6083536 -16 persimmon varieties: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/OT-persimmon-exchange-6190225 Bass, Alanmercieca, WillsC and others, please contact me if interested. Thank you, Akos __________________ growing: selected local Hungarian varieties of good quality, about 130 varieties from abroad wish list: Galicia Negra, Ponte Tresa, Zingarella, Igo Prusch, Persistent caprifigs, high quality smyrna figs, Italian 258, Abebereira, or any high quality fig Currently I DON'T SELL cuttings or plants

WillsC

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Posted 1359815407	Reply with quote #40

Figfan, While I would LOVE to have some of the figs on your list sending you cuttings of poms and you figs to me would not be legal so have to very reluctantly say no:( Good luck finding your plants.

ChillyNPhilly

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Posted 1359831554	Reply with quote #41

Looking forward to hearing more about this. Quote: Originally Posted by Bass I was recently contacted by a man who collected a pomegranate while Ashgabat, Turkmenistan. He brought the seeds home and planted them and one tree survived for several years and has lots of fruits. This tree grown here in Pennsylvania. He invited me to come visit him. __________________ Donna Philadelphia Zone 7