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HELP - OFF TOPIC- need advice on grape order

I'd like to order some table grape cuttings from UC Davis. There are too many unknown varieties for me to decide, can  someone help me what to order it!   I want red and white grapes with large clusters something similar like Thomson and Crimson. Any large and sweet will work.
Have any of you ever order any grape cuttings from them?
Thank You all!

I picked up Niagara cuttings at a recent local swap - Niagara is supposed to do well in our area.

In Atlanta are you far enough North to avoid Pierces disease?  

Pierces disease is nasty stuff and will wipe out an entire vineyard.  That's why it's best to buy grafted vines onto rootstock that is resistant to the stuff.

I know all about wine grapes, and nothing about table grapes.  I have Perlette, and it's a nice, sweet white seedless grape.  Red Flame and Thompson's seedless are also popular!

UC Davis does have root stock that you can grow for a year, and then graft your desired types onto it.  Also, if there are healthy wild grape vines in your area, seedless or not, you can use those for grafting UC Davis scions onto.  If they are growing wild and healthy, they would be resistant to Pierces!

All the varieties at UC Davis with descriptions and where grafted vines can be purchased is at the National Grape Registry.  There are several seedless varieties there.  What I did to find wine grapes that would survive in my climate, was to look for climates all over the world that mimicked mine with Google searches and listed grapes that grew well in those climates.  Then I made a list of UC Davis Grapes that appealed to me, and Googled all of those by name to find out which would be best.  It was a lot of work, but a huge success!  Haven't lost one grape in 5 years now!  And the bunches are full!

I don't worry about figs because this is a Mediterranean climate and they seem to all grow well here.

Good luck!

DesertDance,

Rootstock imparts no resistance to Pierces disease....I truly wish it did.  The rootstock would survive but the grafted portion would still die.  Atlanta may be just cold enough to avoid the disease, they are in the rarely occurs zone.  

 
 

I have Niagara, Concord, Catawba, Flame and i hope Thomson but not sure yet, did not fruit for me yet.
Suzi i am fighting wild Muscadine that is taking over from my neighbor yard so have plenty of rootstock for grafting.

I wish UCD have picture next to the name it will be easier to choose  desirable grape.





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Originally Posted by DesertDance
Pierces disease is nasty stuff and will wipe out an entire vineyard.  That's why it's best to buy grafted vines onto rootstock that is resistant to the stuff.

I know all about wine grapes, and nothing about table grapes.  I have Perlette, and it's a nice, sweet white seedless grape.  Red Flame and Thompson's seedless are also popular!

UC Davis does have root stock that you can grow for a year, and then graft your desired types onto it.  Also, if there are healthy wild grape vines in your area, seedless or not, you can use those for grafting UC Davis scions onto.  If they are growing wild and healthy, they would be resistant to Pierces!

All the varieties at UC Davis with descriptions and where grafted vines can be purchased is at the National Grape Registry.  There are several seedless varieties there.  What I did to find wine grapes that would survive in my climate, was to look for climates all over the world that mimicked mine with Google searches and listed grapes that grew well in those climates.  Then I made a list of UC Davis Grapes that appealed to me, and Googled all of those by name to find out which would be best.  It was a lot of work, but a huge success!  Haven't lost one grape in 5 years now!  And the bunches are full!

I don't worry about figs because this is a Mediterranean climate and they seem to all grow well here.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by satellitehead
I picked up Niagara cuttings at a recent local swap - Niagara is supposed to do well in our area.




Jason i have some Niagara and Concord plants if you want them there are yours.

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Originally Posted by eden13


I wish UCD have picture next to the name it will be easier to choose  desirable grape.


That's where Google is your best friend!  Good luck, and tell us what you decided on!

A lot of people make really good wine from those Muscadines!!

Suzi




Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertDance
Pierces disease is nasty stuff and will wipe out an entire vineyard.  That's why it's best to buy grafted vines onto rootstock that is resistant to the stuff.

I know all about wine grapes, and nothing about table grapes.  I have Perlette, and it's a nice, sweet white seedless grape.  Red Flame and Thompson's seedless are also popular!

UC Davis does have root stock that you can grow for a year, and then graft your desired types onto it.  Also, if there are healthy wild grape vines in your area, seedless or not, you can use those for grafting UC Davis scions onto.  If they are growing wild and healthy, they would be resistant to Pierces!

All the varieties at UC Davis with descriptions and where grafted vines can be purchased is at the National Grape Registry.  There are several seedless varieties there.  What I did to find wine grapes that would survive in my climate, was to look for climates all over the world that mimicked mine with Google searches and listed grapes that grew well in those climates.  Then I made a list of UC Davis Grapes that appealed to me, and Googled all of those by name to find out which would be best.  It was a lot of work, but a huge success!  Haven't lost one grape in 5 years now!  And the bunches are full!

I don't worry about figs because this is a Mediterranean climate and they seem to all grow well here.

Good luck!

I tried Google but most variety have no info on Google that`s why i asked for help.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertDance
Quote:
Originally Posted by eden13


I wish UCD have picture next to the name it will be easier to choose  desirable grape.


That's where Google is your best friend!  Good luck, and tell us what you decided on!

A lot of people make really good wine from those Muscadines!!

Suzi




Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertDance
Pierces disease is nasty stuff and will wipe out an entire vineyard.  That's why it's best to buy grafted vines onto rootstock that is resistant to the stuff.

I know all about wine grapes, and nothing about table grapes.  I have Perlette, and it's a nice, sweet white seedless grape.  Red Flame and Thompson's seedless are also popular!

UC Davis does have root stock that you can grow for a year, and then graft your desired types onto it.  Also, if there are healthy wild grape vines in your area, seedless or not, you can use those for grafting UC Davis scions onto.  If they are growing wild and healthy, they would be resistant to Pierces!

All the varieties at UC Davis with descriptions and where grafted vines can be purchased is at the National Grape Registry.  There are several seedless varieties there.  What I did to find wine grapes that would survive in my climate, was to look for climates all over the world that mimicked mine with Google searches and listed grapes that grew well in those climates.  Then I made a list of UC Davis Grapes that appealed to me, and Googled all of those by name to find out which would be best.  It was a lot of work, but a huge success!  Haven't lost one grape in 5 years now!  And the bunches are full!

I don't worry about figs because this is a Mediterranean climate and they seem to all grow well here.

Good luck!

I forgot to send you to my favorite wine making/grape growing forum.  They have it divided out in growing and wine making and other topics, but a simple search will bring things up of interest to you!  The forum is basically for growing and making wine from wine grapes, but I remember quite a few posts on Table Grapes.  Search Table Grapes on there.  You might be surprised!

Suzi

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Originally Posted by DesertDance
I forgot to send you to my favorite wine making/grape growing forum.  They have it divided out in growing and wine making and other topics, but a simple search will bring things up of interest to you!  The forum is basically for growing and making wine from wine grapes, but I remember quite a few posts on Table Grapes.  Search Table Grapes on there.  You might be surprised!

Suzi


Thank you Suzi.

eden13 said:

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I tried Google but most variety have no info on Google that`s why i asked for help.


Try google 'images'. Don't know about grapes, but for many other things you can find pictures of what you are interested in seeing. http://images.google.com/

The best grape for the humid mid-Atlantic with a combo of flavor and disease resistance is probably Jupiter.

I have heard very good things about Swenson Red as well.

Reliance, Canadice, and Himrod are also good, the latter being the most variable.

America is another one to look into.

These are all completely different. I don't know about Atlanta... is it humid and full of fungal disease and such like Virginia? If NOT, and you can get away with growing pure vinifera cultivars without too much spraying... then this is a different discussion entirely and you can go to town with some truly delicious grapes.

Those labrusca types niagra and concord etc. are pretty much love or hate it. I ain't a big fan! Both those vinifera X labrusca hybrids are OK... best we can do here in Virginia without spraying to death.

Villard blanc traditionally a wine grape, is another to look into to use as a table grape. Lastly I forgot Mars. Again my recs are all taking into account flavor AND disease burden... if the latter ain't no thang in Atlanta or if you don't mind spraying to death, then the options open up nicely.

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