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Hi everyone

I have about ten trees in my garage that woke up, they're under a 4 x 2 grow lights.
We are still a month away from bringing them out (Long Island), since they are all leaving out, how much water do I give them? I guess I should be off the once a month watering for dormancy??

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Whatever it takes to keep the medium somewhat moist but not soggy.  You're offsetting evaporation to the air and use by the tree, including drying of the leaves.  The required amount should be tiny at first, increasing as the leaves fill out.  Where you end up probably depends most on the size of the tree.  

Just for comparison, my leafy new cuttings up-potted to 1.5g pots, growing under lights in the basement, require 1 cup every 1-2 days depending on size.  A very large cutting in a 5g pot takes roughly 1 cup a day.  But consider these only data points.  Fine-tune based on the planting medium.

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These are all big boys, all in at lease 6 gallon pails, some in 15 gallon. My rooted cuttings are still inside my house in a window, once a week water.
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All the old paesani I know keep them in the dark and minimal water...like almost none - but not none... They tend to see some of the albino growth that all hardens off once they go outside proper... This is old-school stuff but I believe the idea is to keep them down by not encouraging them with water.

In a 5 gallon, my veteran buddy Giovanni (owns a garden center and grown figs for over 50 years, doesn't care what they're called) says maybe a half cup a month if that until they're ready to go outside....I'm still very novice but he's quite comfortable with it.... He grows a ton of figs in buckets.... 

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Thanks TorontoJoe, I cant wait until these are out, most of them have many figs on them, who knows what this year will bring.
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These are all big boys, all in at lease 6 gallon pails, some in 15 gallon. My rooted cuttings are still inside my house in a window, once a week water.


It's been cooler here, so my plants in big pots are mostly still dormant.  A few are just starting to open up.  But I haven't had to water hardly at all.

My main guidance still applies, check the soil.  If your potting medium is porous and the pots have drainage holes, it's hard to overwater.  But there's no sense overdoing either.  If you need a SWAG, I'd say 2-4 cups every 2-3 days.  More for the trees in 15g pots, assuming they are actively growing.  Outside last summer, my trees in 10-15g pots used about a gallon of water a day.
 

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I used a two gallon jug and water them all, just enough to keep them from drying out, I have a well established Sals C in a 20 gal sip, the others are 2 & 3 year olds
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At a month away from bringing them out...I can't imagine what they'd be able to do with more than a very little bit of water...except to drown in it... No?
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I was focusing on a picture of plants leafing out under lights, comparing to my cuttings.


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Oh I am sure I can add more water and fertilize but rather wait before I do this, they are predicting a April & May, I may move them out when I feel the temp wont go below 38 at night 
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Fair enough. Can a tree that large do well out of dormancy under grow lights? My instinct would have been to keep it dark and dormant. Isn't one just asking for a leggy mess?
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I had no choice, I had them all covered but they woke up in my garage, this was the last thing I wanted, believe me. It was this or have them  possibly die.
Will keep my figs survival posted here, I worked to hard to lose these guys

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Please do. 

This is what I was getting at with the "albino" growth. I've seen it a couple of times. They wake up early in the garage (or whatever storage) .... But if you keep the light and water down, they will grow really slowly and that growth will turn almost translucent. It seemed to slow down the development even out of all out dormancy....Others here have posted about it...


I don't know how far along yours are....Certainly post some pics if you can... I'm not preaching my word as gospel here...Just sharing some experience with some locally respected growers...

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Oh my. Peter, my apologies. I didn't realize they were that far advanced. Please disregard what I said. Your trees are beyond waking up...They're up and out.... The advice Joe D provided is much more appropriate at your stage....

If they're growing like this and your mix is well draining then there's not much damage you can do with water at this point. Get them all the light you can. Do the shuffle and hold on tight.... 

Hope you get some mild days ahead.

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Your biggest challenge will be keeping the leaves and brebas when you move the trees outside.  For the leaves, you'll want to start with a week of shade or very light sun so as to not burn the leaves.  And for the brebas, you'll have to shuffle the plants inside if the temps are expected to drop into the 30's.


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Your biggest challenge will be keeping the leaves and brebas when you move the trees outside.  For the leaves, you'll want to start with a week of shade or very light sun so as to not burn the leaves.  And for the brebas, you'll have to shuffle the plants inside if the temps are expected to drop into the 30's.



Yes, I believe that will be my challenge, I will move them to the side of house, North, then move them to part sun, then....

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You might want to think about constructing some kind of shade cover for them too.  The UV rays of the sun are always much stronger than the lights we give the plants inside.  I'm toying with the idea of using the umbrella and attaching shade cloth or curtains to the umbrella making a little shaded shelter of sorts.  That will give me 8 square feet of protection.  The covering could slowly be opened as the days go on to allow more sun/wind on the plants. 
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Your figs look good Peter. Don't worry too much about growing under lights, mine started waking up in force a month ago. If your temps are below 70 they will grow slowly, so water a little less than in the summer. If your mix is well draining you shouldn't have any problems. If you have brebas you should fertilize with phosphorus not just nitrogen. Shade cloth is recommended before moving into sun and be wary of moving them out when it's too cold if they are well leafed out. If temps are only in 40's and low 50's wait a little longer, those young leaves are tender. I learned that the hard way. For my my frost day is in May, so my brebas will likely be all done, if they hold, by the time my trees go outside. I figure it's better to extend the season under grow lights, I must say I was surprised at how much the water uptake increases when they have fruit.
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Your figs look good Peter. Don't worry too much about growing under lights, mine started waking up in force a month ago. If your temps are below 70 they will grow slowly, so water a little less than in the summer. If your mix is well draining you shouldn't have any problems. If you have brebas you should fertilize with phosphorus not just nitrogen. Shade cloth is recommended before moving into sun and be wary of moving them out when it's too cold if they are well leafed out. If temps are only in 40's and low 50's wait a little longer, those young leaves are tender. I learned that the hard way. For my my frost day is in May, so my brebas will likely be all done, if they hold, by the time my trees go outside. I figure it's better to extend the season under grow lights, I must say I was surprised at how much the water uptake increases when they have fruit.


I give them phosphorus & bone meal at first, then it is chicken manure & lime afterwards

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