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just to compare :
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Plate 10. Color dark to black.
1 Beall, Bourjassotte grisé, Barnissotte
1 San Piero, Pastillière, Hâtive d’Argenteuil
3 Bordeaux, Constantin, Franciscana


Eaubonne.jpg  I found this variétie near Paris in the city of "Eaubonne" closed to the city of Argenteuil Do you think it might be the same than the Hâtive d'argenteuil of Condit?

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have two growing from USDA/UCD. beautiful fig with wonderful skin color.

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I would think you could have picked any of those figs off of the same tree, as there is often that much variation in fruit on a tree.
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What Jon P said.
Here is example of UcDavis Argentile i had in large container, many on plant were similar some a little darker.

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Thierry,
'Hâtive d'Argenteuil' is an asparagus variety which is cultivated in the Argenteuil area.
There are two fig varieties that used to be cultivated in the same area,
one is called 'Blanche d'Argenteuil' (White of Argenteuil)/'Blanche',)
the other one has got several names: 'Rouge/Violette d'Argenteuil' (Red of A.) / 'Dauphine' / 'Grise de Tarascon'.
Maybe Rouge d'Argenteuil is your fig. Compare it to the description of 'Dauphine' at
http://www.fig-baud.com.
Maybe this will help. Good luck!
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Originally Posted by pitangadiego
I would think you could have picked any of those figs off of the same tree, as there is often that much variation in fruit on a tree.
Jon, just by looking at the sizes of the stalks in the TOP picture posted), have you seen such variation of stalk size on one tree? (I'm counting on your experience on this one)
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Hâtive d'Argenteuil, Condit description :

Hâtive d’Argenteuil.
A variety received from southern France in 1928, under P.I. No. 69,016. Not identified with any other variety in the collection at Riverside.
Breba crop none. Second-crop figs small, oblique-spherical, with short, thick neck; color violet; bloom commonly absent from circular zone at apex, as illustrated for Figue Fleur in plate 12; pulp strawberry; quality good. Fruits commonly dry without spoilage. (Plate 10.)

is anyone have pictures of " P.I. No. 69,016" ?  .....   To compare... Eaubonne 1 copie copie.jpg 
And did someone know another description of Hâtive d'Argenteuil?
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Aaron, just look at all the Celeste pix at Figs 4 Fun, to see how varied they can be, and look at pix from the south, and then find the post on Celeste from Belleclare. Yeah they can vary that much.
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I was hoping the stalks of each variety would be very Pre-Programmed size. just like the Eye, The Skin Texture , Pulp color, Flesh color, etc...
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Plants exhibit natural variation in their form and structure. While all organisms vary from individual to individual, plants exhibit an additional type of variation. Within a single individual, parts are repeated which may differ in form and structure from other similar parts. This variation is most easily seen in the leaves of a plant, though other organs such as stems and flowers may show similar variation. There are three primary causes of this variation: positional effects, environmental effects, and juvenility.

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This past spring I picked up a small tree from a local nursery in San Antonio. The tree was labeled Native de Argentina which in my opinion should be Hâtive d'Argenteuil. It is a very tasty black fig that could easily match or beat the flavor of a Violette de Bordeaux or any other black fig in that family. It has a more complex flavor than a Celeste, which I classify as just sweet. At this time, I'm not sure if this fig is a Sultane in disguise.

20150731 Native de Argenteuil.JPG  20150731 Native de Argenteuil B.jpg  



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What's an asparagus variety?
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This is my Hative d'Argenteuil from a cutting from Harvey. It's one of my slower growers. I up potted it last week and the new growth is protesting with a virus break out. A number of my other fig trees do this when I up pot them, then recover. One leaf looks like Condit's picture.

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Anyone can help me to get cutting N d'agrenteuil ?
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