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So,there is a seller from Wales on U.K eBay who sells lots of plants,amongst many things they sell are figs.Some of the names of the varieties they have on offer I had never heard of so I asked for more information. Knowing from the listing that they were selected from Eastern Europe I asked for the variety names in the native language(Hungarian).

The seller was very gracious and informative with their response (always a good sign) but I still have not heard much or anything about some of these varieties other than from that seller.I have had some positive feedback from another member about the plants being of good quality,and having checked out their website
( http://treeonlinenursery.co.uk/produce_all_view.php/en/ )it does seem like a worthy little operation,but it doesn't help inform my varietal choices.If these are Unknowns I think I am reaching my limit on those for now.

The seller provided the following info about her varieties:

1. Babits - selected in Hungary (from the garden of a famous poet, Mihaly Babits, in the early 1900s), large, sweet, red, flesh, brown skin, very good cropper and very frost tolerant
2. Nero del Portogallo - old Iberian variety, small but very sweet fruits, dark skin and flesh
3. Sultane - large, brown skin, dark red flesh
4. Flat ('Pogacsa' - hungarian selection) - flattened fruits, medim sized, dark skin + flesh
5. Ice ('Jég'- hungarian selection) - large fruits, dark blue skin and red flesh, very good cropper
6. Italian brown ('Olasz Barna' - Italian selection) - medium sized fruits, brown outside and inside (when ripe)
7. Fingered giant ('Ujjas Oriás' - hungarian selection) - ornamental, deeply lobed foliage, large, red fleshed fruits
8. Green good cropper ('Zold aszalódó' - hungarian selection)- green fleshed, large fruited
9. Cigar (similar to Longue d''Aout) ('Szivar' or 'Banana' - origin unknown) - elongated, almost black skinned fruit, very sweet
10. Pedro (Yellow) - originated from Croatia - yellow skin, greenish yellow flesh, small-medium sized fruits old Croatian variety
11. Signora - old Spanish variety, large fruited, it can fruit twice, very cold tolerant

1 I am aware of,2,3 and 11 are known varieties,I think 10 is probably San Pietro, and I read of a variety called cigar on the forum once(can't remember who/where),4 was discussed once on the forum before,but that was in response to a question asked about the same variety from the same seller and didn't get far, 5-8 I have never heard of anywhere else.

The plants this seller offers are great value,I am definitely going do get Sultane and intend to plant it in ground but I'm very tempted by the mysterious Hungarian varieties as they should grow really well here as were 1-2 zones warmer.

Has anyone heard of variety 4-9? ,anyone out there growing them?,




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Very interesting. Hopefully we'll see some photos and reports by members of exclusively Hungarian varieties someday.
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There are a few Hungarians on the forum including some with extensive collections. I am still looking for local varieties but some are easy to get. I am rooting Kutfej Black, another well known cultivar that looks similar to VdB. A good nursery with afew of the varieties mentioned by Haroon is here http://dmkert.hu/fuge_ficus_carica they have the Cigar and Szentes Brown, another famous one.
I believe the first figs were introduced by the Ottoman empire after they invaded the area, so they were probably Turkish common type selections.
I have a few pictures I can upload.

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Gabriel,I was hoping you might join in :).

Lila Szivarfuge from that site is a match for the Cigar fig sold here,I'm guessing Lila is like Purple or lilac?.Im glad to find out that at least 1 of them is a known variety.

There is a variety on that page called Zold Orias,do you think that is the same as the Ujjas Oriás (Fingered Giant) for sale here?,also could Olasz Barna sold here be the same as Szentesi Barna, or do you think they are different,I presume Barna means brown?

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Most of those varieties were distributed by me and originally collected and selected by my friend János Varga 25-30 years ago. He made posts about his fig trees in Gardenweb forum and after that I distributed them for trading other varieties here, with his consent and active contribution.
Here you can see his original posts: http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1885176/fig-fever-in-europe
He is ninovarga and I have the same name as here. The photos somehow disappeared but most of them can be found in my photo album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/
You can find pictures from every variety. 
The original thread started by me here on F4F: https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/exchange-cuttings-europe-ihave-50-varieties-6083536?pid=1275831984
I don't know who is this seller in the UK except for he has a Hungarian name. However I think he should at least mention who was the original collector of those figs since he sells his varieties, uses the names given by him and uses the photos made by him and me without his or my consent. I think that would be more elegant...


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Which zone are you in? Looks like you have some massive trees over there.
Some nice photos on your page https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/
Thank You for posting.

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1. Babits - the description is correct but not so many people have the real variety, usually the most common brown skin Hungarian variety is sold as Babits instead.
4. Flat (Pogácsa) - https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8472475494/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8472475306/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8472475452/
5. Ice (Jég) - the same as Györöki lapos 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8472426254/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8472426334/
6. Italian Brown (Olasz Barna) - https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8471504859/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8472599142/
7. Finger leaf giant (Ujjaslevelű óriás) - very similar to Brunswick 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8472541914/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8471447233/
8. Drying on the tree green (Zöld aszalódó) - https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8452165636/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8452159148/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8451035603/
9. Cigar (Szivar, Lila Szivarfüge) - totally different from Longue d'Aout
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8472474794/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8472474870/


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Kútfeji lila (Kútfej purple): 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8472475708/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/8452097298/
Totally different from VdB I know it since I grow both.

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Figfangungary, thank you VERY much for your comprehensive and excellent reply,it's rare in any sphere of life when you ask a question to have it so we'll answered. These varieties are most definitely covered and preserved here for posterity for anyone else looking for information on them on F4f now.

I am disappointed that the seller is using the pictures without permission,that's never good but unfortunately quite common on eBay,however the varieties are pretty much unknown here so the seller would gain little from selling under these names here if they were not selling what they say they are,much easier for them to sell varieties that are well known here.I will go back and ask some more questions to see what they say.I hope they are genuine as they are the only source here in the U.K. for Hungarian varieties and the prices are very reasonable.

I know that a member here is growing several of these varieties in the UK(bought from this seller) so I will has to have to check with her if they are true to type

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If you are looking for Hungarian figs then better get them from Hungary :)

Contact some trusted Hungarian members here...

(Actually I am also Hungarian but very low on traditional Hungarian varieties. My Hungarian figs are all roadside-collected unk's :) )

But those which you listed are well-known varieties not unk's. But another advice: do not buy anything from a seller who are using hijacked pics. It's a big no-no.

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Norbert,could not agree more about buying from people with hijacked pics,unfortunately here it's pretty much common practice and most sellers don't even think they are doing anything wrong,the bigger the seller ( nurseries) the worse it is,I've seen nurseries selling Brown Turkey with some pics of the plant(brobably Brunswick) and beautiful pictures of the figs it produces (Black Bursa),it's a joke.

As for buying from Hungary,I may well do,there are a few Hungarian members here I may contact next season to see if they can help me with cuttings,for now my rooting season is pretty much done,I'm out of space indoors,the website quoted by Gabriel is very reasonably priced ( http://dmkert.hu/fuge_ficus_carica ) and if I placed a large order the postage cost per plant comes right down so I'm considering that as an option in future when dealing with nurseries in continental Europe, I could keep 1 of each and sell the rest on eBay(minus the hijacked pictures lol) and the ones I get to keep would be pretty much paid for by any money I made on the sales,it would be nice to make this hobby cost neutral.

I think Hungarian varieties and those of other countries around you are likely to do well further west so they are definitely on my radar for the future.Its great that Hungarian figs are so well represented here, do you 3 ever get together?


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Haroon, there is a forum where most Hungarian fig people share experience, thoughts and pictures. I have only met one other member who drove here to pick up a free Vir Unk I gave him, but I haven't met others due to the traveling involved. I am 35km/20 miles? North from Budapest, some collectors are in the South-Western zone of the country, closer to the Croatian border where the weather is milder and allows figs to be grown easier, probably with less winter protection. Not a huge difference but still helps.

The first commercial fig orchard in the country is very close to the Croatian border, check out these links. The video narration says they have 20 varieties planted.
https://www.szeddlemagad.hu/maps/tormafolde.html



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Gabriel, this fig plantation was planted from the varieties we are talking about. They were propagated from the mother trees I show you guys in my photo album. You can see the same varieties in the video. Everything is without winter protection. I have to write a post later about climate and the meteorological phenomenon behind our fig trees to be more accurate. Yes, there are some minor differences among regions, but the much bigger differences is between topographic conditions, relative elevation differences. Certain vineyard hills are 7 or even 14 degrees Celsius warmer than the plains or valleys adjecent to them on every clear-sky, windless, snow-covered night usually when the coldest temperatures occur. This temperature inversion is particularly strong in continental climates. For example this unusually cold January we had only -11 -12 degrees Celsius on our hills meanwhile the official met station in Nagykanizsa measured -18 C. Sometimes the difference is even greater, like in 2009 when the met stations in the plain measured -21 and -22 C meanwhile in the fig plantation presented in the video there was only -8,2 Celsius. 
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It's very important to strongly emphasize this atmospheric phenomenon as this is what permits growing figs in Hungary, this is why some of our yineyard hills can have zone 8 climate when other places have zone 7 or 6. Life or death for fig trees. 
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You guys in Hungary are doing a great job preserving these traditional varieties,Figfanhungary you sure know your stuff and Gabriel thank you for the video it makes me want to get some land!.It does make me wonder whether commercial plantation would be possible here in the U.K If the right varieties were selected.Our problem here is the short season and lack of public interest or awareness of fresh figs,not so much the cold,we only registered -6 for a few hours 1 night where I live,a couple at between -2 and -4C.In the west of the country it is even milder.We also have some parts of the south and west where grapes are grown successfully so would grape growing regions be a good indicator of the right micro climate/ topographical conditions for growing figs?.
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Most of those varieties were distributed by me and originally collected and selected by my friend János Varga 25-30 years ago. He made posts about his fig trees in Gardenweb forum and after that I distributed them for trading other varieties here, with his consent and active contribution.
Here you can see his original posts: http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1885176/fig-fever-in-europe
He is ninovarga and I have the same name as here. The photos somehow disappeared but most of them can be found in my photo album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/92961367@N03/
You can find pictures from every variety. 
The original thread started by me here on F4F: https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/exchange-cuttings-europe-ihave-50-varieties-6083536?pid=1275831984
I don't know who is this seller in the UK except for he has a Hungarian name. However I think he should at least mention who was the original collector of those figs since he sells his varieties, uses the names given by him and uses the photos made by him and me without his or my consent. I think that would be more elegant...



Hello A
I mentioned You in Limbach They wrote me in very spring that her /owner is a lady / husband is a hungarian ex proffesor / it may be is the truth/. I bought from them Babits, Portogallo and Pedro/ I have these trees of them one year.
Are sold cheap comparable to others.

Portogallo has  FMV but not that much issue. This comming season /second  season/ I might know more.
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You guys in Hungary are doing a great job preserving these traditional varieties,Figfanhungary you sure know your stuff and Gabriel thank you for the video it makes me want to get some land!.It does make me wonder whether commercial plantation would be possible here in the U.K If the right varieties were selected.Our problem here is the short season and lack of public interest or awareness of fresh figs,not so much the cold,we only registered -6 for a few hours 1 night where I live,a couple at between -2 and -4C.In the west of the country it is even milder.We also have some parts of the south and west where grapes are grown successfully so would grape growing regions be a good indicator of the right micro climate/ topographical conditions for growing figs?.


I think it would be possible with varieties with abundant and early breba figs or very early main crop figs like Ronde de Bordeaux. I think you are not alone with this idea and I'm pretty sure some people grow figs on the Southeast part of England for example. Grape growing is a good indicator of heat units. Here the only problem is with winter, some topographic terrains and regions just have too cold winter temperatures. Our vineyard hills help in this as I mentioned they provide several degrees warmer temperatures on critical winter nights, not only better solar irradiation. Me, and the original collector of our fig trees visit Northeast Italy quite often. I can say that in most years the growing season phenology is quite the same as here with the same flowering and ripening dates as Friuli region. So here growing season heat is not a problem. 

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I'm curious if any figs survived here in North-Hungary; we had a very cold January with -20-25C degrees. I have a 2y old brown plate/flat fig (=jégfüge, györöki lapos, pogácsa etc) planted outdoors; I see its branches suffered dieback but have to wait until Spring then it'll turn out whether its fairly thick trunk is viable. Figs in pots were removed to an unheated room before the freeze - they're alive. I think I should get a Florea...
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We had -18C here, a few km North from here had -23C. My potted 1 year plants were in an uheated shed but I can't say if they were damaged. I will check the in ground Vir unk. I am in Vác. All my rooting cuttings indoors stopped growing but I don't know why. I've had enough of the cold already.
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LC, Pverdes3, I really feel sorry for your frozen fig trees. Here there is no damage, some of the new, more sensitive varieties from abroad have frozen terminal buds or tip dieback but not more. As Floo mentioned in the Hungarian forum, no frost damage in the fig plantation either, it is possible that there will be less breba crop than usual but it is hard to tell until late spring. 
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We'll see. Would be good to know what xenil experienced.
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Thank you Haroon for asking the question and thank you to everyone else for the great information. I bought several plants from Jurassic Plants last year, the first batch I bought were Nero del Portogallo, Ice, Babits and Signora. The second were Flat, Brown Italian, Fingered Giant and Sultane.

The first batch grew like crazy and were left in the unheated polytunnel because they were too big for my greenhouse, I covered them in several layers of fleece. The second batch I bought later in the year so, although they also grew extremely well they were small enough to put in a frost free greenhouse. We haven't had really cold temperatures this year, about -14 celsius inside the polytunnel but there doesn't seem to be any damage.

Both batches are at about the same stage of leaf development, ie just starting to unfurl the first leaves. More importantly, they all have figlets developing, the Babits, Nero del Portogallo and Flat have a lot!

I am looking forward to seeing what the fruit are like, assuming they all make it to ripening.

It is a shame that they are using images belonging to someone else. Sadly people think it is ok to use images from the internet, they seem to assume that anything online is free to use. I am an artist and I regularly come across sites where people are selling copies of my work as prints or giving them away as screensavers.

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Some of the fig trees at my vineyard neighborhood yesterday

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Any update on these varieties Doricdragons?,I didn't buy them in the end but seriously considering it again
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