2 exceptionally good figs! Juicy, sweet, rich tasting. The skin in both was not very edible, more like a hard shell.
Young potted plants, I am excited to see the quality improving in the next few years.

The Lampeira is very productive and bares over a long time (~2 months). 
The i258 is not that dynamic, it has been sitting with 2 figs for a long time before they started to change color. 

Both pollinated.

Hi Greenfig,
Congrats !
Could you please post photos of the leaves of both trees as I'm trying to identify some unknown that I have here . Thanks .

Nice figs Igor - Congratulations
LP main crop coming just in time.
When trees get a bit more aged, stabilize their structure and roots you shall have those huge brebas and with the help of the insects a multicolored 'vindimo' crop ranging from greenish to purple, black, brown, ..
If climate helps, these trees will give the first brebas still in May.

As for the 258 it's an excellent fruit and it is a shame not to call this fig for its real name !

Francisco
Portugal

2 great looking figs, Igor, that will only get better. Happy for you!

They look great! I've left one fig on one of my first year 258s and it's taking its own sweet time ripening. My fig trees are teaching me both an enjoyment of soft, sweet fruit and patience. 

Nice looking figs

Hi Igor.
Congratulations. My Italian 258 trees are just started to get a little blush on the figs.
Your Lambeira looks amazing. Enjoy.
Vito

Thank you, all, for the good vibes!
A nice way to start a day (after eating the figs yesterday, of course) :)

Francisco, I second the Tyler’s question, would you happen to know the proper name for the Italian 258?

This is how they were named:
http://www.crfg.org/chapters/golden_gate/Italian%20numbered%20figs.pdf

I am not sure if it is possible to find out that easily the original name unless we do a thorough investigation of the Italian figs.

from there:

This fig,is of Italian origin,that is fact.
It should not be called ,Italian 258:
Mi opinion on it's name:It should be called:Number one best tasting Italian fig of all time.!!!!
It should be a much more self describing name.

IT258 : it is better than the other best 258 varieties ?

jdsfrance,

Here are the leaves.
The darker rounder ones under a mesh belong to the Italian 258,
The rest are from the Lampeira Preta.

Thanks for sharing these great figs, Igor.

I heard once a comment that Todd Kennedy lost the names and then assigned the numbers.  I heard from Pat Schafer either 19 or 31 months ago (at a scion exchange) that the tags on the cuttings were already lost or fallen off (I forget which) when the cuttings were handed to him in Italy.  As such, I do not believe anybody knows the true name but it sure would be nice to get this properly identified.

Mark Albert, who is also mentioned in the CRFG document linked by Igor, and Pat Schafer were both surprised when I told them how popular Italian 258 was.  Neither of them are in ideal climates for growing figs.  Italian 258 has not been passed around through CRFG circles and this has been a bit of a mystery to me.  At Prusch Park, where many of the various trees originated from contributions by Todd Kennedy, Italian 258 is not present.  Oddly, there is a tree on the map listed as Italian 253 which is not shown on the document linked above.  A couple of us thought that perhaps this was Italian 258 and someone's writing was illegible when the list was typed but my Italian 253 tree has produced green fruit with a brown blush, not even close to my Italian 258.

These mysteries can be frustrating but, at the same time, they do make things more interesting.  If we can enjoy the fruit and laugh at our confusion, life is good. :)

Would be nice to have some active members in Italy who were fig experts.

Harvey,

Thank you for the information.
Do you grow a Brogiotto Nero? How different it is from the i258?
I asked an Italian friend and he compared those two as quite similar (only from the photos)

And of course Brogiotto Nero is the Italian synonym for Barnisotte Black. Bourjassotte Noire is the French synonym. See Eisen and Condit for a lengthier list of synonyms.
So who knows what it is....


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Joe
Phoenix Area (Zone 9)

My Experience:
I  grew Brogiotto nero,which turned out to be an average brown fig,and so I think it was ,a misnomer.
I grew Barnisotte black from US Collection,and the fruits were totally different than Ital 258.

Igor (or are you Joe from Phoenix now?  what's up with that, lol), I don't grow Brogiotto Nero but I do have Bourjassotte Noire, just planted in the ground.  No fruit to compare yet.  FWIW, I don't trust all of the synonyms listed, sometimes they sure seem wrong.

I emailed Todd Kennedy last night in hopes he has any information which we might be able to use to I.D. these.

Lol!
No clue where that Joe came from , that's funny.
I guess I will leave it since you mentioned.

I read that Violet Solleis is the same as Bourjassotte Noire, no?
I have that one too, with tiny figlets now. With any luck, might see at least a color.

Vasile, thanks for sharing your experience!

I'm growing both Violette Soleis and did get a fruit from it but had trouble with them being spoiled.  I've heard that Bourjassotte Noire might be the same but also somebody (Keith?) saying they were different, so I will learn myself eventually as will you.

Today I received a reply from Todd Kennedy regarding the history of these figs.  Unfortunately, I don't believe we will make any progress because of this information, but here it is.

Todd imported these in the 1980s, obtaining them from Dr. Giorgio Grassi.  Dr. Grossi had acquired these in southern Italy and was based in Caserta where he had an office.  A few years later he moved to Rome and at that time he took cuttings of the varieties he considered to be unique.  However, in the process of the move, all of his papers were lost, including the names.  So he only retained the numbers he had assigned to them.  Todd looked and did not see any directory listing Dr. Giorgio and assumes he has retired.  

I contacted one friend from Sicily to see if he had ever heard of him but he had not.  I don't think it would make much difference anyways, but at least we know we should probably focus on figs from the south when trying to match these figs.

Grazie!

Is this him Harvey???

http://alvearerdp.altervista.org/portale/?q=node/308   (google this link and hit translate - unless you speak Italian of course lol)