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ferreirajpfonseca

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Hello,

I'm new to this forum.

I have this fig tree and I would like to know the variety.

I left some pictures for you to appreciate. 

Thank you in advance. 

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Hello Mr. F Fonseca

Welcome to the forum . Thanks for sharing great pictures of your light colored  fig!
You have here a nice fig and wonder what could it be .
Our experts will be certainly asking you for additional information regarding the plant, like predominant leaf shapes, climate , eventually location,.. 'in pot' or 'in ground' .etc..

The first ID coming to my mind is 'Bacorinho' a Common fig popular in eastern Algarve with some 'cousins' in the Madeira Arquipelago..

Meanwhile you may try and go through this topic... where you find an interesting talk about apparently similar figs

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/white-madeira-6503911?&trail=100

But in this and other forums, unfortunately, names do not mean much as people like to behave as  'padrinhos' and to re-name fruit as per their own liking !! and according to their personal conveniences .. adding to the growing confusions
Boas colheitas
Francisco
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Indeed. welcome Mr Fonseca It will be very difficult to pinpoint the exact ID? Looks like a tasty fig. My guess a place to start is (Col De Dame) white.
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Welcome to our home away from home. Looks very distinctive. Not just your common fig. Good luck. Huge open eye wouldn't stand a chance were I li
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ferreirajpfonseca

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Originally Posted by lampo
Hello Mr. F Fonseca

Welcome to the forum . Thanks for sharing great pictures of your light colored  fig!
You have here a nice fig and wonder what could it be .
Our experts will be certainly asking you for additional information regarding the plant, like predominant leaf shapes, climate , eventually location,.. 'in pot' or 'in ground' .etc..

The first ID coming to my mind is 'Bacorinho' a Common fig popular in eastern Algarve with some 'cousins' in the Madeira Arquipelago..

Meanwhile you may try and go through this topic... where you find an interesting talk about apparently similar figs

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/white-madeira-6503911?&trail=100

But in this and other forums, unfortunately, names do not mean much as people like to behave as  'padrinhos' and to re-name fruit as per their own liking !! and according to their personal conveniences .. adding to the growing confusions
Boas colheitas
Francisco
Portugal


Thank You Francisco,

Some local people say that it is indeed a variety from Algarve but they are not sure. I think you might be right it could be "Bacorinho" as you say is very similar I went to the topic that you shared and it matches the description.

The climate is coastal Mediterranean/Atlantic ocean influence, plant in ground (very big tree 50ft tall) in Southwestern Portugal near Charneca da Caparica, Almada the soil is sandy.
Tomorrow I'm going to share some leaf pictures and some more details of the tree.




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Hi Bom dia.
Thank you for your additional comments
Initially it looked strange your fig do not matching that particular area where I was expecting far more ´Pingos de Mel'... and this one was no Pd'Mel at all.
The migratory flows from the South  (starting on the late 40's) did certainly contributed to establish new fig varieties in that area and yours may not be unique ..there may be others  .
I mentioned Bacorinho on a first attempt but there are a few more candidates...like old strains of  Côtea for instance..
Is this tree irrigated and/or fertilized ??  - exposed to the W and SW see breezes ??
May be that there is still people in the area who know where the people who planted it came from..

Francisco


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Hi Bom dia.
Thank you for your additional comments
Initially it looked strange your fig do not matching that particular area where I was expecting far more ´Pingos de Mel'... and this one was no Pd'Mel at all.
The migratory flows from the South  (starting on the late 40's) did certainly contributed to establish new fig varieties in that area and yours may not be unique ..there may be others  .
I mentioned Bacorinho on a first attempt but there are a few more candidates...like old strains of  Côtea for instance..
Is this tree irrigated and/or fertilized ??  - exposed to the W and SW see breezes ??
May be that there is still people in the area who know where the people who planted it came from..

Francisco




Hi again Francisco. 

Yes it could be Bacorinho or Côtea I've seen some resemblance with my fig. For more details I'm posting some pictures of the tree. The people that planted the tree around 35+ years ago don't live in the area anymore for me to ask them.

Details of the tree:

South and West exposure, see breeze less than 1Km from the sea. Some shade from tall pine trees, irrigated by hand and by the lawn sprinklers. Fertilized with compost and lawn fertilizer. I've seen the roots extending far as 30+ m from the tree I think that they cover the hole yard. It produces figs 2 times a year, the firsts are the "lampos" in late june and beginning of July it produces only a few because I don't prune it much then a 2nd crop that starts in August until late September/October depending on the rain and cold. 

Here are some more pictures:
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Thank you again Francisco I hope we may find the variety with your help and other people.

Cumprimentos,
João Pedro.

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Hello João Pedro,
Sorry, I have not noticed your more recent post.
Thank you for all the given information and pictures. I am a bit puzzled by your mentioning of brebas (lampos) be they even a few..and I may see that as consequence of the plant being exposed to sea breezes and marine weather from the west coast aggravated by the fact that it's very close to the shoreline.  May be on their native grounds it could as well be close to a shore but the climate is much different - warmer, much less humidity , calcareous soils mainly and a strong influence from the SE hot winds loaded with extra fine Saharan dust, which according to my ancestors would burn all their veggies and young plants-
Let's do this... try and get a well ripe (but not excessively ripe) fig from the most Sun exposed side of the tree and to take a close picture of

The fig eye , and
The insides (pulp) without using knife.. just fingers and thumbs
Tell then any particular flavor you feel in it when compared to other figs

This could well help to decide on two potential candidates
cheers
Francisco

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Originally Posted by lampo
Hello João Pedro,
Sorry, I have not noticed your more recent post.
Thank you for all the given information and pictures. I am a bit puzzled by your mentioning of brebas (lampos) be they even a few..and I may see that as consequence of the plant being exposed to sea breezes and marine weather from the west coast aggravated by the fact that it's very close to the shoreline.  May be on their native grounds it could as well be close to a shore but the climate is much different - warmer, much less humidity , calcareous soils mainly and a strong influence from the SE hot winds loaded with extra fine Saharan dust, which according to my ancestors would burn all their veggies and young plants-
Let's do this... try and get a well ripe (but not excessively ripe) fig from the most Sun exposed side of the tree and to take a close picture of

The fig eye , and
The insides (pulp) without using knife.. just fingers and thumbs
Tell then any particular flavor you feel in it when compared to other figs

This could well help to decide on two potential candidates
cheers
Francisco



Thank you Francisco for your response.

Yes, in fact it produces breba crop every year. Yes the climate is different not as different during summer but moro humid the rest of the year as you mentioned. I didn't know that breba crop was influence by the climate, one more thing that I've learned.
Regarding your question, the flavor is sweet with some green aftertaste the sweet part resembles somewhat sweet plums. I hope this helps. I left some pictures below for you to analys. We are going to succeed to identify the variety.

Thank you again Francisco,
With kind regards,
João Pedro

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Thank you J Pedro

Am more and more convinced that your fig may be a very close strain of the old Quarteira or Ponte de Quarteira.
please have a look on this topic..

https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/quarteira-the-golden-fig-8879925?highlight=golden+fig&pid=1297878947

Your climate can not ´paint' that golden color on the skin .The juicy pulp results from the high doses of direct sun over those long summer days and the chance of always bring in the wasp favors (pollination) available in most of the southern Province . While your tree gets irrigated and fertilized,  that golden Quarteira never sees a drop of 'unnatural' water. This Iam sure contributes for the early Breba buttons to develop on the previous year wood and ripen a few brebas by June on your tree..
Never tasted nor seen a Quarteira breba in my life.
Up to the 60's of last century, it was a very popular fig in the areas of Lagoa , Loulé, Silves and Sao Bartolomeu. May be older fellows with roots down on those coucils may help to bring additional light on the question.. it was always a highly regarded variety... For the above reasons and as a result of the juicy pulps,  it was practically impossible to dry these figs
cheers
Francisco
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Hi again Francisco,

Thank you for the detailed description and history about the variety "Quarteira" aka "Ponte de Quarteira" is very dificult to find good and detail information about portuguese fig varieties. 
The golden skin appears on some figs only most of them are green, I don't know why but yellow ones tend to be smaller than green ones maybe they ripen faster. I've tasted breba crop this year is not as sweet as main crop but figs are much larger. INIAV has a file about Portuguese figs and mentions "Ponte de Quarteira" as a fig with Breba and main crop. 
You can see the doc here: http://www.iniav.pt/fotos/editor2/folheto_colecao_figueira.pdf

It can't be dried in the sun but I love fresh figs and my climate doesn't allow things to dry well there's just not enough heat, in the last 10 years summers have been fresh and windy. I irrigate my tree because of the sandy soil that dries out very fast if I didn't irrigate the tree would survive but most of the leaves would fall off as most of the figs, I can see that in the area people irrigate in order to keep the trees healthy, in abandoned land fig trees are very sad. But that's my area in other areas I know that do well with rainfall only or little irrigation. This variety should be spread it is a very good fresh fig producer with very good quality. 

With best regards,
João Pedro
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