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if you are a fig smuggler BEWARE...

Here is something that could happen to you...

out of subject but it could happen to a fig grower...
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George Norris, a 66-year-old retiree who ran a home-based orchid business was imprisoned for two years in a federal penitentiary because "he had failed to properly navigate the many, often irrational, paperwork requirements the U.S. imposed when it implemented an arcane international treaty's new restrictions on trade in flowers and other flora," reports the The Washington Times, in a story titled, "Criminalizing everyone." (The orchids themselves were legal.)

When 60-year-old Kathy Norris asked court officials why U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service's very own SWAT team had raided and ransacked her home, they helpfully explained, "You don't need to know. You can't know."

The judge who sentenced Mr. Norris had some advice for him and his wife: "Life sometimes presents us with lemons." Their job was, yes, to "turn lemons into lemonade."

The judge apparently failed to appreciate how difficult it is to run a successful lemonade stand when you're an elderly diabetic with coronary complications, arthritis and Parkinson's disease serving time in a federal penitentiary.

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This is downright crazy!!!!!!!  But it doens't seaze to amaze me in the slightest!!!! I would have come down on these intruders with everything I got! The legal way. There are more important things they could be doing with their time, how many people grow marijuana in their homes and all kinds of illegal plants but get away with it for years and years and years, They need to leave this petty crap alone and go after the real criminals.

This is so low that its disturbing. How can they feel good about doing what they did putting an elderly man in prison for selling Orchids. Whats this world come too

Maggie, I like that fiery Italian streak.

Its just like I see the coppers always checking for seat belts but not checking out the crooks. I had my unique wheel barrow stolen & found it. Reported to the coppers & they asked whether I have my driver's licence printed on it to verify its mine? I  furnish them  written details of scratches & minor repairs done by a commercial firm. No, they are not taking any actions. Go figure. Meantime since I reported to the cops, I can't send my own SWAT squad to take it back as the guy can report I stole it from him.

Paully,


If you know where your wheel barrow is, if you whip that guys ass long and hard enough, he will push it back to your house

This is not meant to be a joke.

My 2 bodyguards like Hulk Hogan & 7ft  plus tall were all gungho to do it. It was like 6 months in hospital or the wheelbarrow. I wished I had not talk to the coppers first otherwise my wheel barrow will be home. After talking to the cops, it was the reverse  -- 6 years in the slammer for me. Thus, I lose.

these assholes knew full well what they were doing. take a target like that, run a long investigation and justify your worthless existence. these guys were wussies who were afraid to go after any real criminals. what burns me up is we've got to pay for their retirements, vacations, etc.

i appreciate this thread as it yes, Paully, fired me up!!!  But I did spend a good while researching all the do's and don'ts, I got more confused googling and reading what you can and can't do. It was really no help for me.  They use such big language that i still yet don't understand. I wish people can just be free to live their lives and live out their passions.  Sometimes soooo many rules, its hard to find them or learn them all. I have soo much technical stuff saved to my computer as pertaining to this type of business and don't understand most of it, I need to hire an interpretor. 

While I do not condone violent federal raids on non-violent suspects, there is some interesting botanical intrigue behind this raid.

read Pittman, C. "The Case of the Purloined Orchid."  Sarasota Magazine, Mar 2005.
http://www.sarasotamagazine.com/Articles/Sarasota-Magazine/2005/03/The-Case-of-the-Purloined-Orchid.asp?ht=

see the orchid photos and some more detailed botanical history here:
http://www.ottawaorchidsociety.com/september_2007.pdf

Summary of a little more research:
The orchid in question, Phragmipedium kovachii, has been called the most important orchid discovered in the last 100 years, and is mired in controversy.

This incredible orchid flower, which can range between 5-9 inches in diameter, was originally found  wild in remote Peru, with plants being sold in a roadside stand for a dollar each. The great  value was later realized and the few original populations of plants were stripped from the wild. Thus the need for CITES protections.

The first reports of plants (illegally) for sale in the US had an initial price tag of  $10,000;  they are now legally retailing for $100 to $400 each.  So we are not talking about some little fig cuttings from your backyard here, this is high end business.

Even the name of the orchid is in great contention. An individual plant was purchased from that roadside stand, imported without permits by Mike Kovach of Virginia, and had been submitted for ID and naming at Selby Botanical Gardens in Florida. They confirmed it was new, and named it  Phragmipedium kovachii, after Mr. Kovach. 

Publishing the new name of a previously undescribed plant is a big deal in the botany/taxonomy world. It was then quite a shock that this publication was just 5 days before  Dr. Eric Christenson, an orchid taxonomist who used to work for Selby Botanical Gardens, had detailed photographs of the new orchid that he received from colleagues in Peru, was about to publish his own article on the plant for  the American Orchid Society, naming it Phragmipedium peruvianum (after it's country of origin). So feeling cheated, Dr. Christenson, and the Peruvian government, (aware of the new species botanical rarity, and $ exploitation potential),  demanded enforcement of the CITES protections- this got everyone in trouble.

This raid on Kovach, and then Selby Gardens, in 2002, was big news as it resulted in convictions, fines and years of probation. You would think that anyone that is into rare orchids would know that you can get in big trouble with this plant. Remember this is before there was any  $ involved yet (excepting perhaps donations and grants to the Botanical gardens based on it's status, or loss of income due to it's disrepute)

A couple years later when the raid happened to Mr Norris in Texas, and later to the permitted orchid  grower from Peru, (Manuel Arias-Silver,  who was supplying the plants), the two were alleged to have been conspiring to use permitted Phragmipedium kovachii orchids (valued at $40,000) to conceal un-permitted species orchids- some even wild collected, (valued at an additional $45,000) breaking the $50,000 valuation sentencing guidelines ( the higher the value the more severe the sentence). Perhaps another factor in the harshness of penalty is that someone who has a permit (that is, you trust) and 'cheats' is thought to be more offensive than someone who doesn't have a permit at all? All this put Mr Norris in prison for 17 months and years of  probation, wrecking his life.

I see the importance of protecting plants in the wild from economic destruction, but Mr. Norris' plight obviously originates with a lot of politics between the Peruvian government who oversees the permitting of the Peruvian growers, and the USFWS enforcement of CITES, wanting to make an example of folks dealing in endangered species, and a frustrated taxonomist who was 5 days too late on the naming of a very valuable orchid.


On moving plants around-
The tasks of protecting endangered species and keeping pests out are important. We all know how devastating new pests can be in our own gardens.

I saw this very well in the unique ecologies of the Hawai'ian islands,  where they didn't even have mosquitos, before they were brought there by accident, still  no snakes! Just within the last 10 years , rare native species are disappearing, while newcomers have arrived like fire ants, stinging caterpillars, 90 decibel frogs, and 'rat lung worm disease' that causes devastating spinal meningitis, just by eating some lettuce that has some slug slime on it.

The moral of the story:
Don't mess around with endangered species smuggling, work through only 'legitimate' sources, comply with local disease and pest quarantines in your area, and your little commercial fig nursery should be OK. Things get serious when $ starts changing hands!

Even for us casual growers trading material, it is good to know how to protect our own gardens from pests and disease. 

Good luck!


As most of you may already know I am a truck driver and I travel all over the U.S. and Canada.

There was a big black and white bill board sign on I-75 near the Florida / Georgia border.
I don't know if it is still there but it asked two questions,

CONSTITUTIONAL POWER?
OR, KINGLY POWER?

What do most of you think it has come to?

Rafed 

I am NOT advocating or defending anything illegal, but doing things legally if often incredibly difficult if not impossible, which is why it is so often done illegally. At some point you make it so difficult, that people resort to illegal methods, which ultimately defeats the original purpose.

Getting fig cuttings into the US from outside the country requires a USDA import permit, a phytosanitary certificate from the country of origin with the shipment 9(and shipped to a USDA inspection facility), 2+ years of quarantine in an approved quarantine area, etc. I have only managed to do this once, from a nursery in GB. An attempt to get some from Israel, from a private citizen, brought a response from the Ag Ministry there, wen I inquired about getting the phyto, of (paraphrasing) "yeah, right". All these things cost $$. Is it any wonder that people just stick them in their suitcases?

Again, not advocating anything illegal.

A frustrating situation, to be thwarted just trying to do the right thing.

Not sure if it would be worth doing for a for profit business, but has anyone worked with importing material with the cooperation of the NCGR folks? They get material from us hobbyist collectors (well, alot from a few of us here, like C. Todd Kennedy), and seem like they could be worked with. . . They are importing stuff from all over the world for their collections, all the time. Eventually those plant materials become available to everyone.

Here in Northern California, University of California- Berkeley Botanical Garden, and San Francisco (Strybing) Arboretum would be two other organizations with the facilities to recieve and quarantine rare plants legally, on a regular basis. 

Perhaps there are other, similar institutions in other parts of the Fig Nation that can help us do this valuable work! We pay their salaries!


Wow I was not thinking that this post would turn out to be so valuable!

and thanks johnvalenzuela for adding the extra information

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