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Originally Posted by jimmychao
HungryJack,

This greenhouse/hoophouse/high tunnel will be built in Piscataway, only a few miles from Staten Island. Although I can grow veggie year round, I can start in early spring, and transplant outdoor in summer.
one inch thick of ice is better than 1 ft thick that I had on my koi pond in February, it kills most of my koi.
I am currently using my 9x15 ft sunroom and run out of sapace. Also watering hundreds of cups takes me a lot of time. I can't use any irrigation system, my sunroom is not build to deal with water.


KOI-  you have it backwards actually, one foot of ice is better than one inch of ice on your pond.
Research it, you will see I'm correct.
If your fish are dying, it because of two reasons,
either your pond is not deep enough,  you need a section that is 3.5 - 4.0 feet deep
for the fish to overwinter.
Or, lack of oxygen.

Easiest solution to this problem is get TWO heavy duty air pumps,
you want air stones that throw LARGE bubbles, not fine ones.
Place airstones into the pond, it will help keep the surface open for most
of the winter, even if it freezes over occasionally, it doesn't matter,
you are pumping fresh air under the ice with the airpumps.
This systen has worked for decades in this area.

GROWING -  you have to realize that green house, high tunnels, hoop houses,
unless they are insulated and heated, DO NOT RETAIN heat at night.
Temps inside will be only a degree or two above outside temps,
you will eliminate the wind chill, wind, rain, etc, but these structures
do not hold heat.  So your plants will experience large shifts in temperature
unless you section off part of the structure and heat it early in the season
to start plants.
You can purchase insulated high tunnels, they use two sheets of plastic
and a couple of air blowers to inflate the plastic, this creates an insulation value.


I suggest you research high tunnels, green houses, hoop houses
and understand what they can accomplish for you,
and what it will cost you in electric to make them do what you want.
Without careful consideration in design/use, you can easily spend $1000-2000 per year
for energy to heat/cool your structure.

PS-  you are correct, its more economical to purchase a high tunnel kit,
than bending your own. Bender for high tunnel are $400 each,
you can't use the benders they make for  EMT tubing ($50),  EMT is not strong
enough for larger structures.
If and when you are ready for a high tunnel, send me a PM,
I can give you a local supplier that will save you considerable $$$.

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Originally Posted by fortisi876
I'm also in the market for a high tunnel set up and oddly enough I also live in NNJ. :D


HungryJack- by chance, do you have any photo's of your setup?


I'm looking to build one to have a workstation setup/propagating, growing 1-3 yr old fig trees since we've been having this crazy weather I feel my trees are behind a bit, and also potted fig storage in the winter. I was also going to look into using black plastic drums full of water as a means to regulate the temp inside. Thoughts?


First two pictures are of an older high tunnel,
about 8 years old.  Size is  16' x 50'
I mainly use this structure as a quarantine facility.




Pictures below are of a new high tunnel installed this year. At the time of the photos,
the inside was not finished yet. Since the floor has been covered with weedblock,
fans and irrigation installed as well.
Size of this high tunnel is 30' x 100' x 16' high at the center.
Tunnel this size is $6-9k  depending on how you rig it up.

This fall I will add another high tunnel 30' x 100 x 22' high with an opening roof.





I had 14 barrels, 55 galllons each, black, filled with water over the winter in the smaller tunnel.
It does little to regulate temps, but is helpful when time to water and the hoses are frozen.
Have to realize there is several tons of air in these structures, takes allot to heat or cool them
or circulate the air.

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Mike,
Thanks a lot for the link, the instruction is really helpful.

HungryJack,
wow. you have so many high tunnels. someone wants to sell this one http://newjersey.craigslist.org/grd/3791248710.html for 4k + 2k installation. film is 1 yr old. Do you think it's worth? He wants to get rid of it quick, may work on the price.

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Originally Posted by jimmychao


HungryJack,
wow. you have so many high tunnels. someone wants to sell this one http://newjersey.craigslist.org/grd/3791248710.html for 4k + 2k installation. film is 1 yr old. Do you think it's worth? He wants to get rid of it quick, may work on the price.


Never enough high tunnels :-)

Short answer - Pass on that one.

That is a HOOP HOUSE, not a high tunnel,
difference is,  hoop house is not designed to have the sides roll up,
so you have to run fans from late April until October.
Also price is about what a new structure that size would cost,
all you are getting are some used fans as the deal, not worth it.

I highly suggest you decide what activities are most important
for you, then choose the proper structure to accomodate.

Highly impressed by your knowledge and GH's HungryJack!   Very cool indeed, thanks for sharing your knowledge on the topic. Would you mind sharing your local GH source, do they have a website or catalog?


The GH you have pictured above, you said is 16' at the center but what is the height of those crossmembers?   Just trying to figure out if I can get my RV in one of those at one end. :D

Check out this site for greenhouse and high tunnels.

http://www.farmtek.com

Hungryjack & Mike,
glad I ask here and you are really an expert in GH, high tunnel, etc. I think I'll choose a high tunnel from growerssupply.com (same as farmtek)

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Originally Posted by fortisi876
Highly impressed by your knowledge and GH's HungryJack!   Very cool indeed, thanks for sharing your knowledge on the topic. Would you mind sharing your local GH source, do they have a website or catalog?


The GH you have pictured above, you said is 16' at the center but what is the height of those crossmembers?   Just trying to figure out if I can get my RV in one of those at one end. :D

Thank you.
My source does not have a catalog or website,
they are wholesale supplier to commercial growers.
When you know exactly what you want, I can get you a quote.

16' high at the center brace, 19' at the peak.
You can choose your height by changing the side wall height.
Many high tunnels come standard with 4' high side walls,
6-12' high side walls are optional.

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