I respectfully request that this thread stay on topic and that sufficient time is allowed for people with experience in growing these varieties provide their feedback/input first.  This has been a frustrating dilemma for me already.

Background: On February 7, 2003 I received cuttings from Jose labeled Col de Dame Gris and Socorro Black.  At this time I cannot remember precisely how they were labeled.  I was handling pretty large number of cuttings at the time and following pretty meticulous practices in handling one variety at a time, labeling it, etc.  The two cuttings I had labeled Col de Dame Gris died on me while the two cuttings labeled Socorro Black grew very well and were planted in my orchard in August 2013 and have grown well.

In the past 2-3 months it has become apparent that the leaf shape of my trees labeled Socorro Black haven't matched those of the original mother tree discovered by Jose nor the trees of FMD and JD.  The jury has been out on my fruit.

A thought has been nagging at me for some time: what if either Jose or I had mixed up the Col de Dame Gris and Socorro Black?  Tonight at 10pm I walked approximately 1,500 feet out to my orchard to compare the leaves of my trees labeled Socorro Black with the tree of Col de Dame Gris I purchased from Vasile (Herman2) about one year ago.  In my opinion, the leaves are a good match.  The leaves of my trees labeled Socorro Black were generally larger (much larger trees) so I chose a single leaf sample that was of similar size to the leaf I chose from my CdDG.  In my environment with hot weather and frequent winds, leaves often curl up so I microwaved each leaf for about 10 seconds and pressed them flat.  In my opinion, they looked a little more of a match before being nuked.

 
My trees labeled Socorro Black have a lot of green fruit on them but I don't know how many have been stolen by birds and am not too certain any more will ripen as weather will be getting cooler in 3-4 weeks. I've picked and photographed 3 fruits.  I may have picked and eaten more without photographing but I just don't remember.  I've thought each fruit tasted very good and had a rich flavor.

On August 26th I picked the darkest of the fruits I had this year:
 

On August 27th I picked a second fruit that seems like a possible match for CdDG:
 
Today, September 18th, I picked another fruit which I think is a possible match for CdDG:
 
The only photos I could find posted here (using both the correct spelling of "gris" as well as the commonly-used spelling of "grise") are from Vasile (Herman2) and Jason (7deuce):
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280162211&postcount=1
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1278718102&postcount=1

Baud's book also has a photo:
 
If anyone else has photos of CdDG, I would great appreciate you sharing them.

Thanks,
Harvey

Harvey,

These situations happen.... as far as I am concerned see them in direct proportion with the number of different sticks involved when of the initial rooting steps, re potting, and the normal distraction for several reasons, small accidents, etc etc..
This to say that I wouldn't mind to grow those two in my backyard.. Fantastic fruit! Congratulations

side comment-

'figgier' 'the tree' is masculine then:   gris

'figue' 'the fruit, fig' --- feminine,  grise ..

Francisco

My Socorro Blk gives me some ripe figs like in picture 4. Cdd Gris gives me zero. Both variants  are
grown in pot.

CCDG is lighter in colour and more of a greyish brown. It also has a thicker neck. This information I got from reading about it as it is in my wishlist ;)

Harvey,

What about a picture of the entire bush in question?

For my Grise it has two predominant leaf types.

 

and





Does yours have both?  

Hi Harvey:Your tree shown in The forth pix have totally different leaves compared to Col de Dame cultivars be them White black or Gris.
Your fruits look similar to Col de Dame,I had here but we have to take in consideration,that Socorro black in your place might have caprified fruits,and That is why they look similar to  uncaprified Col de Dame.
I have seen your Whole tree in another topic,and ,it has different leaves.
Note:The fig confusion,is prevalent,for the reason,that some people describe fruits of a said cultivar while caprified,and other from other climates describe fruits,of same cultivar while they are uncaprified.
The difference is obvious,and so,the 2 descriptions are not similar creating confusion.
In My opinion your tree is not Col de Dame.
Here is ,My Col de Dame Gris tree,fruits leaves etc.
The fruits in first pix are ,from about three years back when weather permitted ,to ripe this type of cultivar,because the last few years were very bad for ripening figs here so they did not get ripe.
Maybe this year.

Hey Harvey , my coll de dame gris looked like this.

Thanks, everyone.  Here is a photo of one of my two trees, just taken 30 minutes ago.  It was too dark last night.

 

I am no expert but in my opinion no way that is CDD Gris.

IMO "Socorro Black" was a great find of a beautiful fig by Jose (loslunasfarms).
Hope it tastes as good as it looks. After loosing mine direct from Jose, I just re-acquired it thanks to ED.

Pl. take a peek here:
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fig/msg0900345017538.html
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fig/msg0614525026223.html

BTW, where is Jose nowadays? hope is all well with him and family.

Here is a pic of my Socorro Black's leaves.  It was rooted in spring of 2013.  Pretty much all the leaves have 5 lobes.  Some have longer fingers than the ones shown in the pic.

Harvey, I agree with Wills that the pic in post #9 looks way more like Socorro Black than CdDG.  The leaf in post #1 labelled Socorro Black UNK looks a lot like my Socorro Black's leaves.

Harvey, whatever it is it looks delish.
I hope you find out what it is because (pics 3 & 4 in post #1) awfully looks like my Unknown Isabella... the tree growth pattern in (post #9), leaves and the fruit...can't wait to see positive ID !

Harvey, I agree with Steve. Your Unk. Socorro Black leaves look like Steve's S. Black leaves, which look like mine. I won't bother to post the pics I took of them this morning as the job's done. I think you have S. Black after all. Vasile likely hit on the reason for the somewhat different look of your S. Black from the photos floating out there on the internet: pollination. We should have thought of that last night while you kept me up running out into the smoke from your California fires to check my S. Black and CdD Noir leaves. I'd be a lot perkier today with all of that sleep lost in service to you. I took it out on my patients - sending them your address if they feel the need for vengeance.

My Cddgris  

My opinion is it's not cddgris

Harvey, I got my SB from Pooya (persianmd2orchard).  I'm pretty sure Pooya got it from JD and JD got it from Jose (loslunasfarms).  Pooya and JD, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but this is what I recall Pooya told me.  I tasted the first fig off of it in mid-August (a breba, I think) and was very impressed.

Thanks, Steve.

In another thread JD reported that he thought my leaves had a little bit longer fingers than his though he thought some seemed similar and he attributed the differences to probably being due to climate, etc.

Steve,
Yes. I sent Pooya seven cuttings of Socorro Black in the Spring of 2013 and I received a log of Socorro Black from Jose.

Harvey,
Yes. Your leaves are much more finger-y than mine. No question.

I can also confirm the lineage of Steve's SB :). 

Harvey in a couple weeks I'll be near my cdd gris and Socorro black and can share pics as well. However from my recollection, my gris and SB look just like what's already been posted--people have posted excellent representative pictures. Looking at your pics, I too would be shocked if your SB unknown is cdd gris. No way Jose ;). A

s to what it actually is, I have no idea. Hopefully SB :). If not, we got your back!!

I'm not disagreeing with any of the views expressed here but I think comparing leaves of my tree grown in my conditions to leaves grown in other locations is less precise.  That's why I posted leaves of my CdDG (from a tree bought from Vasile).  Those impressed me as very similar to my Socorro Black.

I'm tempted to through some lime on my trees to see if that changes anything, maybe add a wind break....anything.  Just seems so strange to have such variation in leaves.

Yeah, JD's looks almost like Etna style leaves, IIRC.

Hello, all. I have been fine. I live now in Saudi Arabia part time with work. I left my job in the US for a position here in Saudi. My company even moved all my kids and wife. We really really cant complain, the company has treated us well.

I have talked with Harvey about the mis labeling and I am also A type when it comes to my labeling. I only allow my self to work on one cutting at a time to avoid any confusion. That being said, I have both.. I already promised Harvey some more cuttings once I get back into the states. The pictures taken from here:

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fig/msg0900345017538.html

were indeed taking from the mother tree and the only cutting and leafs I had in the truck that day. I remember that day well :)

Harvey I can see a close resemblance especially when comparing the fruit to the gardenweb pics.