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Italian 258

My Italian 258 acquired early this year from US has produced a couple of ripe fruits. I must say it is worth the time and expense seeking this variety.

I don't know of any other fig grower in Malaysia who has this plant. 

Thank you wholeheartedly to a figs4fun member who assisted me in my pursuit.

Below are four pictures: 1) Top view of I258; 2) The I258  fruits; 3) One ripe fruit; 4) The inside of I258;






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Thanks for the great pictures.

From your experience does i have a bushy or a tree like growth?

Great looking fig. Glad you are liking it.

I hope you did not pay very much, because that is not Italian 258. The leaves should be rounded, not pointed. The inside dark red, not pink. 

The i-258 is a great produtive variety.my has tons of figlets but, none has ripened yet.I got the tree in late summer. Thank you for sharing.

Thank you all for your comments. Really appreciate them.

Elin
The plant has three main branches and a few smaller branches, but not bushy.

hoosierbanana
Thank you for your comment and observation. would it be possible for you to post pictures of the real Italian 258 that you mentioned. May be there is an explanation why the leaves of my Italian 258 are pointed and not rounded as you said.



Thanks for posting your pics, looking good.

For those who have a few of these types of figs, are there noticeable differences between, i258, Figo Preto, Black Madeira and Genovese Nero? Do they have different leaf patterns? Fruit size?

I have a picture of my Figo Preto I got started on 7/1/15 from a small 4 inch 2 node cutting. It is pointed like in your picture, it's also forming a fig so I can see how it will look/taste in a few months.

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Figs do change their appearance often, perhaps it will look different in the future... To me though there are enough differences to rule out Italian 258.


My I-258's, from Richard Watts match Hoosierbanana leaf, nothing like FiggySid1.

I agree with Hoosier banana. The color and consistency of the inside of the fruit as well as the leaf seems off. Like Brent said, there really seems to be enough evidence to doubt the authenticity. I know that the growing conditions, temperature, sunlight, etc are different there, so that may have some impact on appearance. The variable that is most telling for me is the interior. Do you have any more pics of more of the ripe fruits? Perhaps a bigger sample size may help you rest easier in case I've misdiagnosed it. Here is my fruit and interior.

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Here are leaves of my Italian 258 (sourced from Herman/Vasile), FWIW

This photo was taken on Nov 27th, so they show some effects from cold weather.

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Thank you hoosierbanana, bigbadbill and HarveyC for the pictures.

I am crushed looking at the pictures you folks posted. However, I'll wait and see whether the plant will produce the fruits and leaves as shown in the photos. Meanwhile, I hope more evidence will be forthcoming to ID the plant correctly.

Guess I will need to continue hunting.

Safar


Figgysid1

Nice looking leaf. if that is Figo Preto I will not need to add the variety to my collection.

Safar

Sorry Safar. Here is mine, from Dan Foster.

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Dr Safar, I hope you did not pay too much for this. I have stopped buying for the time being since there are too much confusion and synnonyms in the market (especially in Malaysia). But if it is figo preto then all the effort and expenses are not wasted

Preto is a dark purple fig.

I have seen pictures of dark figs ripen with greenish skin. I think he posted 1 leaf and 1 fruit...

Here in Hawaii we can have 4 main crops of figs, that ripen in spring, summer, fall and winter. Some varieties change different colors on the outside and inside, flavor is different for each season. My Adriatic figs are red on the inside when they ripen in the summer but completely amber inside when ripening in the winter.

I don't know what conditions he Is growing his plants, full sun? Shaded? Is it raining everyday? What temperature is it there in the day/night?

I posted a picture of my Preto leaf because it looks similar, pointed with shallow lobes. HarveyC has posted a picture of his i258 leaves with 2 at the top looking like Hoosierbanana's but the bottom leaf is pointed with shallow lobes.

I'm not saying that is what it is. Just trying to offer some comparisons between my Preto leaf and his leaf since they have a similar shape.

I can say with near 100% certainly it's not Brunswick. ;)



hoosierbanana, HarveyC and brianm

Please have another look at the pictures of the  leaves I posted below. These are the more matured leaves. They are not as sharp ended as pointed out by hoosierbanana. In fact they looked like the ones posted by hoosierbanana. Hope I am right.

Norhayati

I have a few more varieties on my wish list before I will stop buying. After talking with Dr Paolo Belloni when he was in Kuala Lumpur for the the Fig Forum, I have one or two varieties to pick from Italy. i258 reversed 2.jpg 


Dr. Safar, I've had my own misadventures with dealing with leaf shapes and prefer not to wade into such territory.  As Sid pointed out, the growing environment can have a big influence and the age of your tree as well.  These other leaves you posted definitely look closer to mine than the original ones.

Thank you for adding the pictures Dr. Safar. Those leaves do indeed look much more like Italian 258.

I originally suspected that your tree was LSU Tiger, because it does make pointed heart shaped leaves sometimes and has figs that are often striped and have the same brown sugar spots on ripe figs. But the interior of your fig is darker than LSU Tiger, and the base of the other leaves shown are truncate instead of cordate. So I looked for other figs that have stripes and sugar spots and came up with Smith fig. These are other people's pictures I gathered of Smith that closely resemble your tree, there are also more pics out there that look much less similar though. If you read through this first link you can see how much the leaf shape of Smith changes.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1888349/lsu-fig-pics
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http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1889510/got-smith
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It is suppose to be a dark fig. My source is R.Watts. What matters most is you like it and it is appropriate for your
zone. Hope you are trialing others like RdB, JH Adriatic, LSU Improved Celeste, O'Rourke, Scotts Blk, LSU Red, Cajun
Gold etc.


Dear hoosierbanana, HarveyC, greenfig and paully22, brianm and bigbadbill

Thank you for providing me with more info on i258. For the time being those pictures are the only ripe fruits. There is one more on the tree which resembled the photo provided by hoosierbanana.
Although I can live with this plant, whether it is i258 or not, while the mystery thickens, I will need to continue with my search. If anyone here willing to part with some cuttings, I am more than willing to buy. Please pm me.

Safar


Hi Safar:My opinion is:
your tree is I 258.
The climate coupled with the young age of tree, makes fruit to be light red inside,and rounder outside.
However next year,it will be much closer to how fruit should look.
Please post pixies of fruits next year.
Leaves are of I 258.

Thank you Herman

Your opinion is very reassuring. I have looked at other threads on i258 and noticed the shape of the fruit is slightly different and the skin color is darker.
There are many fruits on this cultivar. So it should be enough fir me to observe. Ill wait for next season to see of possible changes.

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