Italian 258 on ebay

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DonCentralTexas

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Posted 1418828039	Reply with quote #1

Hey I thought Italian 258 was a dark fig....please correct me if I'm wrong. The pictures sure look green to me. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ITALIAN-258-fig-tree-rare-fig-1-cutting-/321618870683?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae1fa819b __________________ Don (Near Austin, TX zone 8b) If you have these for sale/trade PM me: Zingarella, Grantham's Royal, Calderona, Genovese Nero, Noir de Barbentane

FiggyFrank

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Posted 1418830102	Reply with quote #2

The fig definitely doesn't look like an I-258. If it is, it's not close to being ripe at all. The leaf looks similar to other I-258s though. __________________ Frank zone 7a - VA

saxonfig

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Posted 1418830761 · Edited	Reply with quote #3

Hey Don. I haven't seen the fruit first hand on this one yet. But, according to all the post I've seen about it, it doesn't look like the one pictured there on ebay. Likely more folks just trying to make a buck based on a variety they've seen sell well on ebay. Reading up on the attributes of figs are much easier than gaining actual results on one's own. I guess the picture doesn't really matter as long as they can make a sale. Personally, I'd rather have the truth in writing with no pic than a complete fallacy as seen in that add. Here are a couple threads on the real I-258: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/italian-258-7040399?pid=1283950001#post1283950001 http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/italian-258-pics-4906546?pid=1280010569#post1280010569 http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/italian-258-ital258-late-fruits-ripe-pix-7169159?pid=1285077498#post1285077498 __________________ Fig Well And Prosper! Bill - SW KY. Zone 6b. 36.5N I'm fruitnut on ebay.

saxonfig

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Posted 1418831429	Reply with quote #4

@ Frank. I guess it's possible that it is an under-ripe I-258. But still, an experienced fig person wouldn't post a pic of an un-ripe fig on an add meant to help make a sale. I wouldn't anyway. At least not without clearly saying so. __________________ Fig Well And Prosper! Bill - SW KY. Zone 6b. 36.5N I'm fruitnut on ebay.

NativeSun

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Posted 1418831666	Reply with quote #5

Ok, a question... if a person is knowingly passing on a tree that is not true to the variety and making , potentially, big $ on it...does that constitute fraud? __________________ James, North Florida zone 9A

saxonfig

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Posted 1418832500 · Edited	Reply with quote #6

James. Granted, I have to be honest, I posted (#3) before looking in to the eBay person in question here. But it is so common a practice among nurseries and many eBay sellers to sell cuttings on a name alone. I tend to expect the worst right off the bat. This is why so many folks here encourage others to only buy off eBay if you know who the seller is. For example. If you know they're a forum member with a good reputation, then they likely are selling what's described. I pretty much don't trust anyone else until I've, at least, searched them out a bit. I know first hand that many nurseries won't try to sell a fig tree unless it's labeled "Brown Turkey" or Hardy Chicago". This is only because most northern buyers know little to nothing about fig trees. Most of what they know is based on a couple of pictures they once saw in a seed catalog. Most of these invariably feature BT or HC. So it's not a stretch to see someone on eBay try to dupe those of us who might be a little more informed on different varieties. Just my take on things............ __________________ Fig Well And Prosper! Bill - SW KY. Zone 6b. 36.5N I'm fruitnut on ebay.

FiggyFrank

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Posted 1418835238	Reply with quote #7

Quote: Originally Posted by saxonfig @ Frank. I guess it's possible that it is an under-ripe I-258. But still, an experienced fig person wouldn't post a pic of an un-ripe fig on an add meant to help make a sale. I wouldn't anyway. At least not without clearly saying so. I agree. Not enough info, unripe figs, nothing to really convince the buyer it's the real deal. __________________ Frank zone 7a - VA

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1418835613	Reply with quote #8

Interestingly enough the seller prepped the cuttings peculiar way. She waxed the ends, meaning, she has been reading the forum threads... I wonder if she is a member. Interesting!!

GRamaley

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Posted 1418836185	Reply with quote #9

If they are a members I am sure they will be posting pictures of their gardens soon... __________________ Gloria --------------- 7a, maybe 8

Rewton

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Posted 1418836799	Reply with quote #10

Yes, I agree that buyers should beware. However, I often find that figs that I grow which are supposed to be dark (and come from reliable sources with the right leaf morphology etc) often give ripe figs that have a fair amount of green on them if the figs are low on the bush and mostly shaded. It's just something to keep in mind. __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1418837213	Reply with quote #11

Well said Gloria :) I have a feeling this one is also a member. Excellent ratings, she has a history of selling Black Madeira in past (many of them)... Something says I can trust... just my take on this. 100% Positive rating is not easy to achieve. This person is doing something right. But on the other hand... Italian 258, here's what you would get in research. http://divinghelmets.net/i/331360465181/fig-tree-italian-258 This above seller is in FL, under name chrl82 on eBay and IamKriya on F4F. If anybody knows... He states that it looks (resembles) and tastes like or better than Black Madeira, yet the pictures of the fruit are green because it's not ripe. So, is he saying the fig is Black as in Black Madeira? Surely sounds like it. and there's also Dennis's thread on I 258, here's the read. http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=4906546

HarveyC

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Posted 1418843670	Reply with quote #12

I didn't post about this auction in my other thread because I didn't have a good feeling one way or the other on it. Leaf looked right but fruit didn't. Personally, I'd avoid because I have acquired it from others and leaves just didn't look right so I'm picky. Aaron, achieving 100% feedback is not difficult. A person can provide nice quality cuttings and the buyer only has 60 days to leave feedback. It could be over a year before they realize they were sold fakes/mistakes. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1418844173	Reply with quote #13

Harvey, I guess you are right, anything is possible at this day and age. I'd like to hope it all plays right. I'm thinking ...what would be someone's reaction if they see me list something on eBay (God forbid! LOL) I have never sold anything on eBay in my life. My concern is, One has to start somewhere and if the support is not there (for some reason or other) then how can they start? <;/

rookie

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Posted 1418852708	Reply with quote #14

Anyone that buys on ebay and doesn't get what they paid for has an obligation to everyone on this forum to let it be known that they were taken. Mix-ups do occur and the seller should make every effort to make things right with the buyer, I guess that doesn't always happen though. Most frauds would be exposed sooner or later. __________________ Scott, Long Island ,NY All my figs have been exposed to FMV,some have it, some don't. It doesn't seem to bother them so it doesn't bother me.

rookie

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Posted 1418853109	Reply with quote #15

Aaron, I think most people start selling on ebay with low end figs and build their feed back before selling any high end figs. At least that's how I started doing it, I don't sell that many trees on ebay but what I do sell are the real thing that I've bought from very trusted members on this forum. __________________ Scott, Long Island ,NY All my figs have been exposed to FMV,some have it, some don't. It doesn't seem to bother them so it doesn't bother me.

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1418884092	Reply with quote #16

I hear you Scott, just learning here. I don't think you guys will see me selling on eBay for a long time to come...just the thought gives me the cramps down there...LOL

paully22

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Posted 1418902014	Reply with quote #17

Seller posted qualifying statements on his/her fig not ripening. Would be helpful for bidders if they know whether it is f4f member.

johnnyq627

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Posted 1418959877	Reply with quote #18

This seller with likely a fake I258 is the same as Korina77-2008. Please review Korinas feedback prior to bidding on this likely fake item. __________________ Nick- Youtube: PA Figs \| eBay: tdepoala Zone 6B/7A - Douglassville, PA Wish list - Galicia Negra, Paritjal Rimada, Black Ischia UCD

snaglpus

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Posted 1418963585	Reply with quote #19

I 258 is a black fig. Buyer beware. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

waynea

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Posted 1418994077	Reply with quote #20

They seem to be selling to someone who does not heed to the advice given on this forum.

johnnyq627

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Posted 1418995030	Reply with quote #21

Agreed. It frustrates me, because the more it happens, the more likely we are to get a trade or sale from someone who thinks they have it, only to find out a year later that it is really a celeste. __________________ Nick- Youtube: PA Figs \| eBay: tdepoala Zone 6B/7A - Douglassville, PA Wish list - Galicia Negra, Paritjal Rimada, Black Ischia UCD

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1419005182	Reply with quote #22

It would be irresponsible from any body to start selling cuttings from a plant they haven't seen fruit of yet. If I were to list anything, I would list the source of my mother tree, the picture of my mother tree including the leaves, ripe fruit, and every extra information possible to help the buyer give confidence in investing in the cutting or the plant. I think it's only fair to expect these things from the seller.

RichinNJ

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Posted 1419034529	Reply with quote #23

Quote: Originally Posted by Aaron4USA It would be irresponsible from any body to start selling cuttings from a plant they haven't seen fruit of yet.... I also follow this rule.

coop951

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Posted 1419079332	Reply with quote #24

$58.00 for 1 extremely suspicious cutting. That is so not right __________________ Coop Northern NJ Zone 7a

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