I got some from a forum member and just bought some cuttings from Herman. They all originated from Herman. I'll keep you guys in mind like I said, if they root. I lost all I had last year, so I want to keep them till I get a couple going for me. I need one and a backup. The rest are for sharing. In the mean time,you might check with Herman and see if he has anymore if you don't want to wait & see!