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Lampeira Preta breba

This is a big fig! Trying to decide if it is ready. It is the first and I'm anxious to try it before a critter does. IMG_4312.JPG 


It looks good, hope it's a winner. I don't remember reading about this variety, is it from the Baude collection.???

No, Armando, it is from Portugal. Francisco has said that it is the preferred breba producer there.

Now you know you suppose to show the inside pic. ....... gary. ;-)

Looks great!

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This is a big fig! Trying to decide if it is ready. It is the first and I'm anxious to try it before a critter does. IMG_4312.JPG 


Congratulations, Gary !
At last a Lampeira Preta breba. With the looks of a well kept and treated fruit.
Being the very first fig from the tree it will not be the ideal sample of the variety..Others will come, bigger/smaller and with different shapes and colors.

You right, it is the most popular breba in Portugal, the first showing up still in May.
Over 100 yeras ago, Gustav Eisen in his thick book, wrote this:...

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Portoghese (Italy): Lampas (Portugal).—Size, 4 1/2  by 2 1/2 inches; shape roundish-pyriform. with long, slender neck, well set and shouldered.

Stalk very short; shape rather irregular, lopsided, largest diameter
at center. Eye medium, raised; scales pink. Skin thin or medium,greenish
brown, green in shade, brownish violet in the sun; pulp coarse, rose colored,very sweet, juicy, but lacking flavor. Leaves small, 'i to 5 lobed, but lobes very shallow. Tree of medium growth; first crop of brebas abundant. Second crop drops. A fig common in northern Italy, and cultivated for its first-crop figs. Also common in Algarve, Portugal. Link says that in Portugal the first crop of this variety is called "figos Lampas,'" and is especially cultivated around Tavira, in Algarve. The second crop he designates as ' figos vendimos," which is probably an error, the author having good ground to believe that the ''figos vendimos " ome from a different variety. This fig belongs to the San Pedro class, the trees sent to Niies through the Department of Agriculture having matured splendid second-crop figs after having been caprificated. It is certain, however, that the Lampeira is one of the finest of all first-crop figs, and that it should be widely distributed. What the White San Pedro is for Andalusia in producing the luscious brebas the Lampeira is for southern Portugal. (Fig. 71.).

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Did you prune the main crop ?

Francisco
Portugal


Congratulations, it looks like a great fig!
How old is your tree?

Gary, that is a B E A U T I F U L fig! Congrats. I can imagine the anticipation.

Beautiful color. I like the transition from red to crimson to black on the bottom.

I hope you win the game of chicken with the wild critters and get the first taste!  I think I would probably use a couple of strawberry containers for protection! Be sure to take a picture of the inside for us.

Beautiful fig! It's on my Wish list!

Well, I picked it. 98 grams. Francisco, thank you for the additional information. The flavor was quite good for a 1st fig, as you say, it will improve. Medium sweetness, slight seed crunch, mellow flavor with hints of melon. As you can see, I did not remove the main crop figs. I have a caprifig from Harvey that I am hoping will release some wasps. We'll see.
Timo, my little tree was started from a cutting in 2014, and planted in ground late in 2015. So, 2 years old.
Thank you all for your comments, here are a couple more photos.
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Nice fig and tree, Gary.

It will probably improve in flavor with time. It's one of the best (if not the best Breba) we have over here.

I also have a young Lampa Preta tree that has is first Breba and i was trying to let it mature a bit. The tree is in a shaded spot so the fig colour is much lighter than yours.

I decided to pick it up this afternoon. I past the tree at 4 pm and the fig was fine. When i went to pick it up at 7 pm it was like you can see in the photo included.
I am starting to grow a real hate for these black birds that are eating my fruits.

The flavor was good, not very sweet, figgy. I am sure it will improve greatly next year with the tree in the ground. I have another Breba growing in a second tree. I am going to pick it up now before the birds have a chance.

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Thanks, Jaime. Sorry the birds are beating you to your figs. For whatever reason, my figs have been left alone so far.

Nice fig Gary , good luck!

Beautiful fig Gary!

Forgive me for jumping in you post and asking Francisco a question.

Hi Francisco,
you mentioned that Gustav Eisen called this fig "Portoghese (Italy): Lampas (Portugal)). 
The description seems similar to the other fig you mentioned last week "fico lungo di portugallo".  Are these the same fig?
Thanks

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Originally Posted by figgary
Well, I picked it. 98 grams. Francisco, thank you for the additional information. The flavor was quite good for a 1st fig, as you say, it will improve. Medium sweetness, slight seed crunch, mellow flavor with hints of melon. As you can see, I did not remove the main crop figs. I have a caprifig from Harvey that I am hoping will release some wasps. We'll see.
Timo, my little tree was started from a cutting in 2014, and planted in ground late in 2015. So, 2 years old.
Thank you all for your comments, here are a couple more photos.
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Thanks Gary for sharing these pictures
This is a very promising start ! And what a healthy young tree.
As it grows and builds up a denser canopy, there will be more productive branches, the fruit will benefit from natural protection, less sun exposure will affect its profile to a rounder fruit and to increase its size/ weight ... 120 to 170 gr and more shall be the rule... colors will then switch to more greenish, light violet with more or less yellow shades and building here and there a few clusters of these very large brebas.

As for the main crop it would be nice to have a little hand from Nature or if  that is not possible
a friend in the Bay Area to let you have 3 or 4 'waspy' Profichis to hang inside a supermarket  'garlic net bag', under the shade of those big leaves..
It would be very interesting for you to try on the very first season the two  crops from this San Pedro fig.
Good luck
Francisco





@Pino

Answering your question...

'you mentioned that Gustav Eisen called this fig "Portoghese (Italy): Lampas (Portugal)). 
The description seems similar to the other fig you mentioned last week "fico lungo di portugallo".  Are these the same fig?
Thanks'

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No, they are not the same fig.
To my knowledge, and after reading  many articles end commentary on old books and more recent information from the Internet, forums, etc...

A) Lampeira Preta - a San Pedro fig- shown and described in the 'f4f' on several occasions in recent times  was the fig Eisen saw in both Portugal and Italy during his 'fig excursion' to Europe on the  very early years of the XX century.

That name 'Portoghese' was already in use in Italy by the time of the visit (it was not Eisen to baptize the fig!)
That same cultivar was extensively grown in eastern Algarve ( he mentions that as well) and still today under the name of Lampas (lampa means breba in Port. language)

This same variety appears on some publications as 'Figue des Confiseurs' a French expression apparently also used in Italy
In addition to the above names  there is an endless list of other names given to Lampeira along the years in many different places

B) Caralheto - is another Portuguese variety from the North of Portugal a biferous fig which has long ago migrated to Italy where it is known by 'Lungo del Portogallo', also simply by 'Portogallo'
or 'Portoghese' as well as some other names . It is a Common (biferous) - NOT a SanPedro

C) Lampa Parda - a third biferous Common fig - recently shown by Jodi on the forum and already growing in California. Again it may have migrated to Italy long or not so long time ago and known there by 'Fico Portoghese'. This is one of the largest known brebas
I remember seeing old Italian  illustrations of this variety on the Internet.
 
Francisco
Portugal



Sounds like all these figs would be great additions to any fig collection!

Thanks for this interesting fig history Francisco!  
To me this history brings the amazing fig together with the various cultures that have treasured it for a looong time.  

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Beautiful fig Gary!

Forgive me for jumping in you post and asking Francisco a question.

Hi Francisco,
you mentioned that Gustav Eisen called this fig "Portoghese (Italy): Lampas (Portugal)). 
The description seems similar to the other fig you mentioned last week "fico lungo di portugallo".  Are these the same fig?
Thanks



No worries Pino. It's all a good education.

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