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Lampeira preta (ground) non irrigated

OK Yves
Will work it out, during next dormancy, I shall find a young plant
Please remember me.

Francisco

Hi Pete,  Thank you
Long time no talk !!

Have you seen any roots ?

Francisco

Francisco, again great photos. My Lampeira slowly taking root, little strength in thin cuttings.

Francisco great pictures.
I wonder how much water i could save by growing san pedro's and not having to water during the realy hot months...

any input?

Thank you for looking at that Lampeira

Vladis,
Normally it's a good rooter regardless of the cutting size/thickness

Eli,
Bear in mind I said this a ground tree where you can afford to economize a lot of water.
I assume yours are containerized and that would mean frequent watering...

Francisco


Here you see a pic of my now unknown figtree.
Francisco, you said that Lampeira and carvalhal are the same variety but I can read here and there that they are distincts varieties!! According to Ira Condit in his "Figs varieties: a monograph" : about Lampeira
"Tree moderately vigorous. Leaves small; deeply 3-lobed.
"  a bit like mine in the pic!! yours are not deeply lobed!!?
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Yves,

This leaf is not much different from the leaves of Marseillaise  or Cavalliere..

Carvalhal, accordingly to the Ag Extension of the Min of Ag in the Algarve, is synonym to Lampeira Preta and I accept that.

May be I have taken pictures of the wrong tree !?

You have to wait and see the first fruit.
One has to be cautious with those Monographs. They are great works but do have several imprecision's. I never noticed this description of the leaves of Lampeira Preta being with deep lobes..-absolute non-sense !!-
(with a good glass check my pictures and see if you find one such leave)
As an exercise, compare the Baud description of the typical Pastilliere leaves and what Eisen says ans sketches on his book.

Francisco

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Thanks to Francisco this southern lady (Lampa Preta) going to be tried in far north 50N latitude in ground, zone 5.
Very grateful to him for this gift.
Also thank lampo for 2 more varieties he added (Perola and Rogil). Probably rare varieties as there are very few information, not clear if these are could be tried in ground up north (early or late ripening)...

Hello Sergei, I’m looking forward to hear how Lampeira Preta performs in your climate. What winter protection are you going to provide?

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Hello Timo,
Usually I bend shrubs to ground (better 10 sm below), than carpet or linoleum or flat wood cuts.
Above some soil for weight and solid structure.
Above all dry organic I have (leaves, pine needles...).
Above that is snow (not stable in my climate).
Even after -30C (-21F) winter fig trees were not bad condition in spring.
In a year will be clear how it feels under protection, I will tell...
From previous practice, 5-7 winters only 1 variety from 10+ was really bad after this cover. It was Gris de Saint Jean (Seriy Ranniy by Nikita Botanic Garden). All the rest were good or not too bad in spring.

Observations for northern growers.
Lampa Preta appeared to be most sensitive to first small frost, all leaves were killed.
Other varieties have partial, minor or no frost leaf damages.
Wood hardening is good enough.

All that means that LP should be opened latest in spring to avoid even small return frost for these who grow LP in ground (as this looks for zone 5).

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Observations for northern growers.
Lampa Preta appeared to be most sensitive to first small frost, all leaves were killed.
Other varieties have partial, minor or no frost leaf damages.
Wood hardening is good enough.

All that means that LP should be opened latest in spring to avoid even small return frost for these who grow LP in ground (as this looks for zone 5).


Serge,
Glad you managed to get it through winter.. in ground, and not in their best environment. You see.. it's a plant thriving on dry and hot/sunny  climates .. best above z8 or 9. Here (z 11) , on the best seasons it pumps tons of large brebas and with plenty of energy left for their main crop. Please remember to show the fruit when it ripens..
Francisco

Francisco,
thanks for kind comment.

It is first summer, will be first winter for LP. But wood hardening is normal and there should not be major problems if covered good enough... Only one variety from dozen failed to get through 3 winter and was sent to south. This was Grise de Saint Jean (or is known in Ukraine, Nikita botanic garder as Seryj Rannniy).
What important for up north is to avoid return frosts for leaves and breba.
Lives of LP are a bit more sensitive to frost than other varieties and should be opened from winter cover later than other varieties like RDB, MBVS, Svinita, Randino... 

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