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Leaves on new cuttings turning brown

Hi Everyone, 
I started cutting a little while ago, things were looking good but then the leaves have started to turn brown and dry up. Has anyone else had experience with this? I am assuming the new cutting doesn't have the roots to support the new growth and perhaps I should try to increase the humidity was much was possible (they are in a closed clear plastic tube). I was also wondering if I should try giving them very dilute superthrive to encourage root growth. As for lighting I have them under artificial lighting, maybe too soon. Any ideas on how to stop this would be greatly appreciated, thanks :)    IMG_2314.JPG  IMG_2309.JPG


I've had it happen to some of mine, too. About 75% put on new growth higher up, the other 25% don't make it. I just call is MCD --> Mysterious Cutting Demise.

hmm, I was thinking as much. I am going to try some tricks I use when rooting other plants, if I find a cure I will share. There's always hope isn't there? :)

Hey Becky,

This has happened to me with too much moisture, particularly when the leaves are touching the sides of the container with condensation. If they are " free", that is, not touching the sides of the container nor any source of moisture, they should remain healthy. Is the perlite saturated?

I have found when these young cutting leaves turn black then it is usually too much humidty. 

But in your photo the leaves are brown and the ends look curled. 
Are they too close to the lights and getting burned?

It can be too much or too little water or the related problems of too much fertilizer or too much light.  Examine the media, see if sunlight's hitting the plant at some time in the day and think about your lighting and fertilizing practices.

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Originally Posted by bigbadbill
Hey Becky, This has happened to me with too much moisture, particularly when the leaves are touching the sides of the container with condensation. If they are " free", that is, not touching the sides of the container nor any source of moisture, they should remain healthy. Is the perlite saturated?


Bill,
The perlite is moist, but I haven't been watering it. I could create air holes in the sides of the plastic cup to increase air flow if you think that would help. I can also increase my daily aeration to 1 hour instead of thirty minutes. Good to know that it maybe too much humidity, because I was thinking it wasn't enough.  I am also considering adding some Christmas lights to the bottom of the tube to increase bottom temperature to give the struggling cuttings a little extra love.

Pino, I was also thinking this but it happened very suddenly. If the light intensity is too high shouldn't the leaves turned brown in the beginning once they started to leaf out, not a week and a half later? I the mean time have moved them to an open window which gets indirect light to determine if that's indeed the case.

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Originally Posted by pino
I have found when these young cutting leaves turn black then it is usually too much humidty. 

But in your photo the leaves are brown and the ends look curled. 
Are they too close to the lights and getting burned?

rcanotr,
I haven't been fertilizing yet, I am just using RO water. I am trying a new light source to see if that will do the trick.

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Originally Posted by rcantor
It can be too much or too little water or the related problems of too much fertilizer or too much light.  Examine the media, see if sunlight's hitting the plant at some time in the day and think about your lighting and fertilizing practices.

When cuttings grow from lower buds rather than the ones at the top it means they are too dry. Could have been too dry to start, needed to hydrate first, or maybe the situation is just not a good balance for the cuttings. They can only absorb water through the buried portions of the bark, everything that is exposed will lose water. When rooting directly in cups 2/3 of the cutting should be buried... Because there is already growth burying deeper is not really an option. 

What I would do is float the perlite away... If they have roots that look good pot them in a mix, if they have no roots but the bark at the base looks good and does not slip off with gentle rubbing I'd lay them sideways (growths sticking up and out as much as possible) in wet perlite for a couple days to rehydrate, they should make a dull sound when you tap 2 together, then you can wrap the part above the growths with parafilm and pot them in whatever at the same depth. The parafilm ought to prevent the same thing from happening again.

When leaves wilt suddenly though it is usually a sign that the base of the cutting has rotted. That usually happens when there is poor aeration in the center of the containers, either from overwatering, a dense mix, or stagnant air. Rather than just opening the tub up try fanning vigorously with the lid for a minute, this will actually force air into the center of the cups and expose the cuttings to less dry air. If the ends are rotted then it gets harder and more complicated... I trim them back to healthy cambium just below a node. Oh and one more thing to check is the pith at the base, it can be infected and hollow out/turn dark and cut off roots from the top of the plant even though they will still look healthy for some time.
Pathogen damage.

Last night I did some investing to see if I had root growth and/ or rot and I was happy to find activate roots with no rot! So I increased the perlite level on the cuttings that I could and are considering creating ventilation holes in the cups tonight to increase aeration to the roots.
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Originally Posted by hoosierbanana
When cuttings grow from lower buds rather than the ones at the top it means they are too dry. Could have been too dry to start, needed to hydrate first, or maybe the situation is just not a good balance for the cuttings. They can only absorb water through the buried portions of the bark, everything that is exposed will lose water. When rooting directly in cups 2/3 of the cutting should be buried... Because there is already growth burying deeper is not really an option. 

What I would do is float the perlite away... If they have roots that look good pot them in a mix, if they have no roots but the bark at the base looks good and does not slip off with gentle rubbing I'd lay them sideways (growths sticking up and out as much as possible) in wet perlite for a couple days to rehydrate, they should make a dull sound when you tap 2 together, then you can wrap the part above the growths with parafilm and pot them in whatever at the same depth. The parafilm ought to prevent the same thing from happening again.

When leaves wilt suddenly though it is usually a sign that the base of the cutting has rotted. That usually happens when there is poor aeration in the center of the containers, either from overwatering, a dense mix, or stagnant air. Rather than just opening the tub up try fanning vigorously with the lid for a minute, this will actually force air into the center of the cups and expose the cuttings to less dry air. If the ends are rotted then it gets harder and more complicated... I trim them back to healthy cambium just below a node. Oh and one more thing to check is the pith at the base, it can be infected and hollow out/turn dark and cut off roots from the top of the plant even though they will still look healthy for some time.


Hey Becky, you have done a great job!! I make all my cups with ventilation holes also on the sides...Keep 'em coming! Good Luck!...... : )



Frank

Thanks Frank!

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Originally Posted by Frankallen
Hey Becky, you have done a great job!! I make all my cups with ventilation holes also on the sides...Keep 'em coming! Good Luck!...... : )



Frank

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