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List of Mt. Etna type figs

  • PHD

I've been doing some searching on the forum to get a list of the Mt Etna type figs. They do not have to be from Mt Etna (example Dark Portuguese) but show a very close affinity in taste, cold tolerance, appearance etc. So far this is a list of some of them below. Hopefully members with more experience can add to the list

Marseilles VS
Hardy Chicago
Sal's
Dark Portuguese

 Take Care
  Pete

Pete, I came across this old thread when I was doing the same research as you.  I am listing a couple more varieties below that I think might be Mt. Etna types but I am not sure.  I welcome others to weigh in on this and add to the list as appropriate.

Takoma Violet (a.k.a. Tacoma Violet)
Pane e Vino dark
Macool

By the way, I hope to reduce my collection to 1-2 Mt. Etna types.  Assuming healthy varieties (not limited by FMV) which is the best all-around Mt. Etna fig for the mid-atlantic/northeast?  I have heard Macool might fit the bill.  I would love to hear some opinions on this.

Cheers,
Steve

Rewton,

macool not Mt.Etna type.

Bass named this after his father in laws last name and its from the middle east.

Looks like Rosetta is another -- ripens around the same time as Hardy Chicago and similar
in size & color.

Martin, I knew about Macool's middle east origins but wasn't sure if the middle east could be a stopping point and that Mt. Etna might be the true origin.  Of course, this is just speculation on my part and you are probably correct.  The reason I brought it up as a possible Mt. Etna type is because it has been compared on several occasions to other Mt. Etna figs.  Below is one example, a post from a member who has left us (NYPD5229):

"Get a Macool-You will not be disappointed. Fruits young and in my garden it outshines my Marsellies BVS and Sal's Gene.  Not saying they are not good.  In some climates they may outshine Macool.

To me, Macool is Sal's G crossed with MBVS with the sharpness of Hardy Chicago.

I may get rid of all of those and keep just Macool.  Macool has done very well in wet weather, holding on and not splitting or spoiling.

Only test left is constant rain for more than 2 days. Other than that, tops for me this season."

  • jtp

What about Bill Saxon's Owensboro? I have seen posts where it is said to be like Hardy Chicago but better.

Yes Rewton thats a tuff call i see what you mean.
The one i had from original source had bad case of fmv following winter it never made it out of dormancy.
Here you can see some mottling and misshapen leaves.

John, I forgot about that one but yes it sounds like it probably fits in the Mt. Etna group.  Paully, I hadn't heard of Rosetta but thanks for mentioning it. 

Martin, probably the best way to define varieties into groups is by genetic analysis.  There have been posts previously of fig family trees defined this way but I would guess only the most common varieties have been analyzed so far.

  • PHD

Rewton, you can add Gino's and GM#11 to the list. It's seems that almost every ethnic community here in North Jersey has a Mt Etna type fig. I'm very happy with my Dark Portuguese and Hardy Chicago but 2 of this type of fig I think is enough for me although Marseilles VS sounds like it is the best to be planted outside because it is the most cold hardy of the group. To bad my space is so limited!

 Pete

Pete, I have high hopes for my MvsB which I got from a generous member last Fall.  I'll compare it to Hardy Chicago and Sal's in containers and decide which to plant in the ground.

Hey John. The jury is still out on that Unk Owensboro in my yard. I don't think I've had fully developed fruit on my little tree yet. Hopefully a little extra TLC this year will help it to return the favor with some better fruits.

Jason (& maybe others) have had much better results than I've had to date. Here's the link where Jason was discussing that one:  http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/quotUnknown-Owensboroquot-6008102

As far as cold hardiness goes. From what I understand, it survives KY's winters unprotected. I haven't put mine to the test yet to confirm that for myself. My buddy, who gave me this one, grows his in a greenhouse. So, no real confirmation there.

Just to clarify, the friend who gave me the Unk Owensboro, first got this fig from someone growing it in O-boro. I plan to trial it unprotected once I'm sure I have a solid back up or two.

@Rewton -- checkout Lubera figs Rosetta.

Pane e Vino dark is not Mt Etna Type it is Sicilian type.

Explanation note to Tonycm:
Mount Etna Type figs are ,a type of figs that were found initially by sheperds up of altitude of 1000 meter or less,on mount Etna,in Sicily,so it is a mountain fig, and resist cold much better than others because up on the mountain it is cold in the Winter tho, Sicilia have mild climate.
The Sicilian Black,white and red,are a group of figs ,that are grown in orchards in Sicily,they are more improved with larger fruits,and they are not found at higher altitude on mount Etna growing as wild figs.
That is the difference,between the 2 types.

Mt. Etna is in Sicily.

What Herman referring to as a Mt. Etna type are those with specific characteristics such as in the Hardy Chicago, Sal's and others. They are very similar and have been very successful in our area. 
Pane e Vino Dark is a lot different than those described as mt Etna figs, it's larger and not similar as the others. 
Dark portuguese even though from portugal is very similar to the Mt etna figs so it fits the same category. 
Macool is Syrian but is very similar, but one of the differences that it produces an elongated breba.


Thanks for chiming in on this Bass.  Obviously there are degrees of relatedness.

DNA Testing has confirmed that Abruzzi, is related to Hardy Chicago. Of all the cold hardy figs we grow, Abruzzi is the only one that sprawls along the ground, verses growing straight up.

I'm hoping that means this Abruzzi selection we have, is going to be exceptionally cold hardy.

Hardy Hartford has leaves a lot like Hardy Chicago, and Marseilles Black VS. Plus, it appears to be as cold hardy as Hardy Chicago. 

Bob - Connectcut Zone 5b/6a

The leaves of 'Sicilian Dark' (GM#11) are also very like those of HC.
Fruit is not. Mother tree was discovered in my town, owned by a old Sicilian man.

Also, a couple of towns over, I found another (HC-type fig) that I dubbed 'Abba'.

Thanks for the clarification on what you meant by Mt Etna figs Vasile. I did not know exactly what you meant but now I do. Always learning on here. The more you learn, the more confusing figs are. My head is spinning. :-(

You Welcome
Tony:It is good to know all of these information so we can choose ,what varieties to grow in our local climates ,in order not to waste time,labor and money,trying to get results from Cultivars that are not adapted to our climate..
Every fig cultivar (self fertile),is excellent tasting, in a certain local climate,and usually poor in other climates.
Fig that need pollination should be totally avoided by backyard gardener,as there is plenty of cultivars just as tasty and better ,that are self fertile.
In north east Breba only figs should be avoided ,because the Breba embryos are present on branches trough the Winter and they die first from hard frost,and so the tree will produce nothing,in most years except some very mild Winters.

Yes Vasile, I need to start reading what trees do better in my climate before I buy one just because it looks good. A fig that does well in one area might be a poor performer in another area. I have at least one fig that I discovered that it splits open too easy from rain. I purchased that tree only because the description said "LARGE FIGS". I'm now learning to select only figs that are hardy for my climate and good tasting (what I personally like).

Are all Mt Etna types dark figs, or do they come in light as well?  I've found nearly all figs that are 'hardy' (zone 6b) for me are Mt Etna types, which are all dark to my knowledge. I feel should have some light ones to make sure I'm tasting the spectrum (Martin may disagree), especially since I've only had dark figs so far.

Does anyone know if these figs at Mt Etna are wild as a strain/sub-species that has evolved to be hardier?  If so, I think we need a fig collecting excursion to Sicily. I would guess some of the Mt Etna types from other regions mentioned may have been initially selected from Mt Etna or descended from those by seed (intentionally or not), plenty of trade in the Mediterranean over the millennia.

That's a great question.  In other areas it seems as if fig families have evolved to have both green and dark members.  An example would be the Col de Dame series from Spain (or southern France?).  But I can't think of any Mt. Etna types that are green.  Maybe the experts will chime in.

Most cold hardy light fig? Gallo/Binello? Lattarula?

Very informative thread. Thanks for sharing everyone.

Norhayati

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