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pitangadiego

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Posted 1354326391	Reply with quote #1

This is a seedling from 2006 or 2007? Mad005 became Encanto Red. This one, Mad002, will get a new name. Maybe Fico Pesca d'Oro. This was picked today (and others over the last few weeks). These were from a growth and fruit flush that began in August, and are ripening now. It has a distinctly "peachy" taste, and texture a little bit reminiscent of Shtawi, which ripens around Christmas. Can't imagine how good it would be if ripened in the summer. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1354326757	Reply with quote #2

nice __________________ Dave Zone 6b Illinois "Be the change you wish to see in the world"

Pattee

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Posted 1354326892	Reply with quote #3

Great name, great looking fig and "peachy" too !! __________________ 7a & 9b ►I assume all my figs carry FMV ◄ Seeking : Italian 376,395 , Galicia Negra, Negretta,UNK Pastilliere ,Pananas Purple, Malta Blk+purple/red, Italian + Calabrian UNK's , Catanzaro, Malone, Sucrette(Baud) "We may have our private opinions but why should they be a bar to the meeting of hearts?" - Gandhi

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Posted 1354327274	Reply with quote #4

Looks beautiful! __________________ Steve Houston, TX Zone 8b Wish List: Zingarella

jffrandall1

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Posted 1354327828	Reply with quote #5

Looks awesome! Thank you for sharing! __________________ Jeff! Buford Ga Zone-8 southeast hot humid Good ole Ga. Wish list: Starting all over so any variety now!! Maltese falcon, Izbat an naj,Maltese beauty, Rhonda de bordeaux, Socorro black, Tashkent , Encanto red, Pastiliere, anything that is delicious!!

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Posted 1354328120	Reply with quote #6

Nice. Are both of these from cross-pollination efforts on your part or of some known variety? __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

pitangadiego

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Posted 1354329348	Reply with quote #7

They were seedlings saved one year that were presumed to be from Black Madeira, but the parentage is not really known. A couple have proved to be caprifigs, and a few have proved to do nothing so far. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1354331457	Reply with quote #8

I love fishes 'cause they're so delicious. __________________ Jason Atlanta/Grant Park area - z8

rcantor

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Posted 1354336297	Reply with quote #9

Nice to see your efforts bear good fruit. I hope you keep growing seedlings. No one else is carrying the torch of creating new fig varieties. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

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Posted 1354375176	Reply with quote #10

Jon This the one you and I tried when I visited you the last time and I mentioned it tasted like a peach. When I later asked you about it you didn't remember which one it was. At the time you had mentioned that was the first fig from that tree after growing it for several years. Glad you got this one out. Hope you are ready to start distributing this fig. A sure winner in the making.

pitangadiego

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Posted 1354376642	Reply with quote #11

Rafed, don't know if it is the same one. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

HarveyC

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Posted 1354410410	Reply with quote #12

A presumed Portguese fig seedling being given an Italian name....what's the world coming to??? ;) Do you have an external photo to share? How readily do figs cross-pollinate and how true to type are seedlings from self-pollinated figs, typically? __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1354413666	Reply with quote #13

A while back, Jon gave me some (mysterious) fig cuttings marked as "Encanto Red". I gave spare(s) rooting to at least one fig person friend. My Encanto Red has not fruited yet. P.S....was it... Blk.Mad.002 (no) or Blk.Mad.005 (yes) ? __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

pitangadiego

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Posted 1357089344	Reply with quote #14

First fig of the 2013 season. Had a B Mad 002 today, after a week in the high 50s during the daytime, and it was fabulous. Not summer quality but good for any time of year. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

MichaelTucson

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Posted 1357089528	Reply with quote #15

Jon, you're really rubbing it in! You being there in fig heaven, and us up in the cold territory just facing a week of 10F. So did you finalize a new name for Mad002? Mike __________________ Pauca sed matura.

DesertDance

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Posted 1357089879	Reply with quote #16

I think this is pretty exciting stuff! Peachy! Wow! I have one teensy seedling growing, and it will probably be a caprifig, but gonna give it a whirl. Getting a seed to sprout isn't so easy, and waiting all those years to see if it bears fruit is really cool! Glad it worked out for you Jon! Will you send it to UC Davis for review? Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

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Posted 1357097871	Reply with quote #17

Jon, you either are an amazing photographer or just get sent beautiful figs from God, or both but all your pictures get me salivating for figs man.That looks absolutely amazing, and I dig the name as well. __________________ My wish list is: Naples White, JH Adriatic, Deanna, Peters Honey, Paradiso, Raspberry Latte, Jolly Tiger, Malta Black, Maltese Falcon, Maltese beauty, , Petite negra, Zingarella, Black Madeira, 143-36, 184-15, 187-25, Conadria, Black Ischia, Sucrette, Black mission, Trojano, Yellow Neches, King.

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Posted 1357098511	Reply with quote #18

Could it be somehow crossed with the Shtawi? It looks like it and ripens about the same time. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

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Posted 1357128474	Reply with quote #19

good thing i looked at this thread again today. last night after few glasses of wine, i thought the title said "MD 20/20".. lol. wonderful looking fig jon. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

pitangadiego

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Posted 1357140052	Reply with quote #20

Bass, don't see how that would have happened. Also, these figs are from a late flush, so are really not ripening in their normal season. What does seem to be happening though, is that they will ripen acceptably in cooler weather, which may make them a good candidate for cooler climates or shorter season locations. The one from yesterday was fairly red inside, darker than the previous ones. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

Bass

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Posted 1357142085	Reply with quote #21

I see... Ripening with out the presence of any wasps this time of year indicates its a common type. What makes this fig MAD __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

slingha

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Posted 1357143519	Reply with quote #22

Jon, Do you think this fig ripening late is a characteristic or is it a fluke? Im obviously thinking about the ability for it to grow in the Northeast

MichaelTucson

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Posted 1357148803	Reply with quote #23

Jon, It looks and sounds like a great fig, whether you call it Mad002, Fico Pesca d'Oro, Golden Peach Fig, or Figo Pêssego de Ouro (not at all sure why Harvey called it a "presumed Portuguese fig" -- he must have some inside info). I like the Italian naming - it sounds most musical (but I'm probably biased about that). If you've got enough wood that this one might make it into your annual cuttings list, I'll be there hoping for it. I still say you're rubbing it in though... getting a fresh fig while the northeast is frozen! :-) Glad for you of course. Mike central NY state, zone 5 __________________ Pauca sed matura.

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Posted 1357149007	Reply with quote #24

Jon, Sounds and looks delicious! You have had a fair number of seedlings turn out to be good figs. Is there anything you look for in a seedling before it fruits, or is it just luck of the draw? Encouraging for those of us interested in breeding. Thanks for sharing. Andy __________________ Andy - Zone 6a Lat 39.9º N, Alt 5390' Westminster CO ⚘ Scion List

HarveyC

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Posted 1357150979	Reply with quote #25

Michael, elsewhere Jon reported that it was a presumed seedling of Black Madeira (as for all of the Madxxx accessions, I believe). But he also wrote me that it's uncertain and the other parent is unknown. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1357179827	Reply with quote #26

Thanks Harvey. I had searched on Mad002 to see if I could find what else he'd written. But I hadn't thought to search on the other Madxxx strings, so I didn't find the reference. But Portuguese or not, I still like Fico Pesca d'Oro better than Figo Pêssego de Ouro. :-) Mike __________________ Pauca sed matura.

pitangadiego

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Posted 1357186443	Reply with quote #27

Bass, It was labeled B Mad 002 because it was a presumed seedling of Black Madeira. It is definitely not a Portuguese fig, since it was American breed and born. Post #20 "Also, these figs are from a late flush, so are really not ripening in their normal season. What does seem to be happening though, is that they will ripen acceptably in cooler weather, which may make them a good candidate for cooler climates or shorter season locations. The one from yesterday was fairly red inside, darker than the previous ones." Andy, it is "luck of the draw". I keep a few that volunteer in the yard each year, and see what happens. The batch from 2004 yielded one winner, "Encanto". This one from 2005 is one of probably 3 that will pan out. B Mad 005 became Encanto Red. It is a very nice fig, but a smyrna type. The C Blanco or CB group from 2008 has yielded no fruiting trees, yet. This year I collected fruit at USDA/UC Davis from 5-6 trees to see what those seeds might produce. Interestingly they have had a very low percentage germination rate, so far. The one that may well be the most interesting will be from DFIC0023 Hybrid, which have proved viable, which would indicate that they can be pollinated by F Carica, even as a F Carica x F palmata hybrid. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1357194843	Reply with quote #28

Jon, I'm American bred and born but consider myself to be Portuguese. :) Why an Italian name for an American bred and born fig? __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1357327382	Reply with quote #29

@ pit.. <<< B Mad 005 became Encanto Red. It is a very nice fig, but a smyrna type. Just monkey 'curious-george' here... How did you come to the conclusion that Encanto Red is of the smyrna type? __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

DesertDance

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Posted 1357328863	Reply with quote #30

This topic made me wonder so I just went out to check on my one baby seedling. It is NOT dormant, but looks hardened off! No more green stem. Leaves are green, but stem is tough! I don't know how Jon will answer your question about the American fig given an Italian name. He always has a reason! My seedling, IF it ever bears, and because it grew under the Tempranillo Wine grape from seeds from a Black Mission will get a blend of both. Miss Ranillo! Got a good ring to it! Out of 5000 seeds, one grew! See? Seedlings are not a walk in the park, and then you need to wait and see. I stuck a few rooted cuttings in that big container, where no seed fermented. And 3 of them took outside and are filling that big pot with their roots. They actually have a varietal name and are promised to members. Then this little big leaf sprouted up on the side of the container (where you would NEVER plant)! OMG! A seedling! This is the nature of seedlings. They grow where least expected! And they GROW! Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

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Posted 1357329825	Reply with quote #31

cgtm, It's behavior is that of a smyrna type: lots of fruit, but few persist. The ones that do persist are very good. I sent cutting to USDA/UC Davis, so we'll see how it performs there. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1357332344	Reply with quote #32

Well you have about .000000000005% chance of that being a common fig. __________________ Dominick Zone 6a-MA

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Posted 1357333390	Reply with quote #33

Quote: Originally Posted by pitangadiego cgtm, It's behavior is that of a smyrna type: lots of fruit, but few persist. The ones that do persist are very good. I sent cutting to USDA/UC Davis, so we'll see how it performs there. I knew you would send it to USDA/UC Davis! Happy you did! Looks amazing, and they will evaluate it! Congrats on this little winner! Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

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Posted 1357348777	Reply with quote #34

Today's snack. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1357349324	Reply with quote #35

Looks good. I recently picked a couple of shtawi that was ripening in my greenhouse. It was a good treat at this time of year. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

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Posted 1367159803	Reply with quote #36

Putting on main crop, already. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1367165408	Reply with quote #37

Wow! This looks great! Congratulations! Is that supposed to be gold fishing, as in you went fishing playing with seedlings and caught a gold medal fig, or what? __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

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Posted 1367179151	Reply with quote #38

Pesca: peach. Pescadore: fish. Hoping to see what it does in the summer, since last years crop (because of weather) set in early September and ripened at Christmas. As good as it was at Christmas, it has the potential to be awesome with some summer heat. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1367186183	Reply with quote #39

If Fico Pesca d'Oro. proves to be common, I will add it to my "must have list". it certainly beautiful and with a very distinctive taste. It may live up to its name. Prune for production ;-)) __________________ C.H. Zone 7a East Tn

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Posted 1367200234	Reply with quote #40

Very nice figs Jon. We need genetic diversity in nature. :) __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

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Posted 1387329962	Reply with quote #41

Fico Pesca d' Oro has been a very vigorous grower for me, the most vigorous new fig I planted this year. Unfortunately, mine didn't produce any fruit yet. Jon, have you (or anyone else) determined yet if this is a common fig or smyrna type? There is talk above of a smyrna type but that appears to be talk about Encanto Red. Since you picked a fig in January I wonder if a wasp was even present around the time of year that would have been needed for that. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1424472274	Reply with quote #42

When I acquired this variety from you as a cutting from you in February 2013, I labeled it as Fico Pesca d'Oro and you confirmed my order with that name and the variety indiex under B Mad 002 shows this name as what is being considered as a permanent name. However, I see you selling it as Fico Pesca di Oro. Did you make a slight change in the name on purpose? __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1424491756	Reply with quote #43

I'm not Jon but from years of watching his ebay auctions I can tell you that there are numerous typos :) Something about long hours pruning and labeling :) __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

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Posted 1424498937	Reply with quote #44

Quote: Originally Posted by pitangadiego This is a seedling from 2006 or 2007? Mad005 became Encanto Red. This one, Mad002, will get a new name. Maybe Fico Pesca d'Oro. This was picked today (and others over the last few weeks). These were from a growth and fruit flush that began in August, and are ripening now. It has a distinctly "peachy" taste, and texture a little bit reminiscent of Shtawi, which ripens around Christmas. Can't imagine how good it would be if ripened in the summer. __________________ - Richard Vista CA, zone 10b

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Posted 1424503983	Reply with quote #45

Yes, I'm aware of that post, Richard, that's why I posted my question to this thread. However, Jon has been listing it in the title and description of his recent eBay auctions as Fico Pesca di Oro. http://www.ebay.com/itm/261782687348 __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1424592730	Reply with quote #46

Maybe file this posting under "context matters". I know it came up already, somewhere above, about conjugations of the Italian verb for "to fish". <caveat on: I'm no Italian language scholar> But I think that "fico pesca d'oro" translates to English as something like "fig fishing of gold" or "fig fishing from gold". True that "pesca" alone means "peach", but I think it is also a conjugated form of "to fish" or "fishing". Fico (when used as the noun for fig) is masculine, so I think the way to say "peach" and "gold" when used together with "fig" would be "Fico pesco d'oro" (which would translate as something like "fig peach of gold", or maybe "peachy fig of gold"). Note the letter "o" rather than "a" at the end of "pesco". <end caveat>. Maybe some of you folks who are more knowledgeable about Italian grammar and English will comment on this. Harvey, I know you're asking about something different altogether: the minor spelling difference between "d'oro" and "di oro", and I'm not commenting about that. Rather just re-raising the point about conjugations of "to fish, fishing", etc. (Of course d'oro and di oro have essentially the same meaning, but I know you're looking at something else like consistency of naming or something like that). Either way, many thanks Jon for introducing this. Can't wait until mine fruits here. Hopefully I'll be able to confirm something about how well it does here in the northeast. (I saw your comments about cool weather ripening, but don't yet know firsthand how well it'll do here, in the shorter growing season). Mike p.s. Jon, sounds like this one has consistently ripened for you at times there in fig heaven that allow you to rub it in about temps. Last year it was around 10F when you posted about the ripe ones you ate... this year you chose a time when it was -6F here. If I don't get some to ripen this year, I just might start thinking of this as the rub-it-in fig. __________________ Pauca sed matura.

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Posted 1424593014	Reply with quote #47

additional translation note: fico pesco d'oro could also be translated as "golden peach fig". __________________ Pauca sed matura.

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Posted 1424593794	Reply with quote #48

Thanks, Michael. I had also wondered about the masculinity issue but made no progress with Jon before on Figo Branco so didn't want to bring that up! ;) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Quote: Originally Posted by pitangadiego Pesca: peach. Pescadore: fish. Pesca: peach. Pesco: peach. Pesca (in context): fishing. Fico pesco: peach fig (or peachy fig). Fico pesca: fig fishing. Fico pesco d'oro: golden peach fig. __________________ Pauca sed matura.

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Posted 1424718698	Reply with quote #50

I agree with Michael but don't forget figs are grown by farmers , most of them would express themselves in dialect,Italy has many dialects . Also they prefer using the masculine word FICO and not the feminine FICA __________________ Wallingford CT, USA zone 6a would be happy to meet and get together with other members near me Wish list; Any fig from any specific place anywhere in Italy

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