My 2 cents. I don't know all aspects of this argument but I am very bothered by a new seller that really nobody knows, who claims to have Black Madeira, which as everyone knows is a highly desireable and expensive fig, in fact arguably the best fig out there. I get the fact that he is from Madeira Island, but that doesn't make him a fig authority any more than it makes me a historian of Philadelphia because I've lived here my whole life, that is just dumb. Some years ago I spent good money (read a whole lot of money) on several figs from myfigsforfun including a so called Black Madeira which I now jokingly call my white Madeira since that is the actual color of the figs it produces. Newbies take note, us old heads don't want you to get burned, that's pretty much it. And be honest, this guy is new out of no where selling THE premium fig, it's questionable at best so yes buyer beware. I have no ax to grind with any new or old members, I welcome the new and enjoy my friendship with the old members. We all know that some new members will not hang around, some will only be here until they get a few cuttings and others will stay and become valued members, that's the same in any sort of group like this, same thing happens in the local horticultural groups I belong to. And there is the occassional trouble maker who only has nasty things to say. So what, so we deal with it all. To me the overall experience of the forum has been very positive, let's try to keep it that way.