Attention!
Another misleading description of the product with an delusional price on eBay. The diameter of the cutting is not that important in growing  a robust tree faster. The growing conditions are more important.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Large-Rooted-Fig-Cutting-/271239978143?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f27299c9f

Looks like it has some mild Rkn in the first root pic too

The entire auction contains several silly statements including the price. I believe someone had overdone the "Hooch" before posting the auction.

That seller is currently on the forum in discussions on another Topic... Maybe they can answer some of your questions.

See my comments on E-bay seller post.

Just saw the Ebay, Posts seems high....but if some rich guy wants to buy it I am Ok with it. I have been eating bologna sandwiches and tacos to stay above water....Anyway my brother told me something which is true, "the value of an item depends on what a person is willing to pay for it",  hmmm....I can put any price but it depends on the buyer.
If he can sell the fig cutting would love to see its progress...

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Armando between Fresno/Bakersfield California

https://www.facebook.com/armando.hinojosa.75

Does a thick cutting really not give a fast growing tree?  In my few months of experience the slender, small cuttings were the slowest to root and leaf.  The bigger the cutting the better luck I had with getting it to survive.  I wouldn't pay $100+ for a cutting but maybe someone will.  You can get a 6ft tall tree for less than $100.

Larger cutting have more energy stored in so they can survive easier. But for a larger cutting produceing a larger tree quicke is crazy. I have the trees growing now to prove that is not the case. Its all in the rooting method. Look at my post about scor rooting in perlite. I have cutting that were smaller than a pincel this past fall that are three foot tall with 15 figs on as we speak. Certain figs grow quicker than others.

Now with that said. If sombody wants to pay that. More power to them. I know better and sell on ebay myself. And if the seller can get that for the cutting more power to them. I myself find it misleading in the wording. That's my only beef with it. Somebody that don't know any better could spend a lot more than needed. And its wrong to take advantage of peoples ignorance.

Notice also, this seller started selling pieces of this tree quite early...late winter and stating it was unidentified but may be Genoa. Later auctions had some with the same discription and some that stated it was Genoa with no question mark about it.

I think the listing price is nuts but someone else may not. My beef is mislabeling and misleading.

a sucker born every minute. take advantage while you can is one way of looking at that listing. on the other hand, hey if there are a true sucker who is willing to pay $120 for Genoa cuttings, who am i to stop that person? i think we are paying too much attention to ebay listings.  

There are always exceptions. I have some rooting right now and the smallest of them are the strongest while the larger, many of them just shrivled up. But as a standard thicker has more stored energy but there is no guarantee that it will root and produce a tree. Just it is more likely to. Again there are always exceptions. My unknowns I sell on ebay are listed as such. My knowns are listed as such. Haven't had one complaint as of yet and still have 100% feedback. Honesty is the best way to go about it. Deception is just bad biz.

Alan,
That is what capitalism is all about, making a profit.

What amused me is that you could  purchase a 1 or 2 gallon plant (not a cutting), a guaranteed Fig Variety from Encanto Farms Nursery, have it shipped (to East Coast) for less than 1/3 of the original asking price from this Ebay seller. I am not indicting this seller, just making a simple observation.

Fig has eye  ???
I would preffer one without :)

I don't think anyone is really putting into perspective the size of this fully rooted cutting. You all are comparing apples and oranges here. Your talking like its un-rooted and saying things like the little ones take better and bla bla bla. Folk this cutting is rooted. You are comparing a twig to a 1/2 inch dia. cutting. Its not the same animal here. This thing is 2 full inches in dia. I doubt any one of you has ever rooted a cutting of this size. This is currently the only cutting of this size anywhere. And you can't tell me you aren't a little curious about that.

Yes you maybe able to go and buy a six foot tall one gallon tree for less. I have almost 30 six foot tall trees in multiple verities, and not one of them is any bigger then an inch in dia. To retrieve such a cutting, I had to remove a branch almost fifteen feet tall that has been cut back every year. What do you think the cost of that was? It took this tree years to produce the girth on this now completely rooted 8 inch long 2 inch in dia. cutting. Oh and with the dirt and packaging, it weighs almost 5 pounds. With I helps explain the shipping cost.

I have been documenting and will continue to document this discovery of mine; and show you the difference.

One other thing. I have been selling this tree for years to enthusiast all over this country. They have helped us identify this tree. My customers are happy and that's what matters.

If no one buys this cutting today. I will prove its value soon and be selling them to people that would love to own one.

That takes some nerve saying nobody here has rooted a cutting that size. Probably because they're called logs not cuttings and I for 1 successfully rooted 2 of Black Italian from fatnsassytexan this spring! No, it isn't making a bigger tree than any of the other cuttings because it is underground in it's entirety. The tree that came up is normal size.

Do you realize you are talking to some of the most experienced fig growers in not only this country but several, on this forum? (absolutely not me) They have also been doing this for decades so perhaps you should think about it for a minute or two before making such ludicrous statements.

i dump any cuttings with thickness larger than 1/2" from my trees. reason being a cutting, doesn't really matter how thick it is, it will put on a bud, or maybe more, and that will be the leading branch that will turn into a tree. doesn't really matter how thick the cutting is, they will all turn into a fig tree. 

rooting is a children's play. anyone on this forum can root. anyone who's not on this forum can learn to root in 5 min. 

as to thickness of the cuttings.. it takes about 2 yrs for a sucker on my VdB or Kathleen's Black to turn into 1" to 2" thickness. if you take the very bottom cutting, which i do not send out since they are 2 yr old cuttings and i prefer to send out 1 yr old cuttings, it will be of similar thickness. it doesn't really have much advantage over the top cuttings. 

i don't have many fig trees.. only have around 70 of them. there are about 50 different varieties in them. 40 of them are known varieties from reliable sources. no guess as to what my trees will be. there are few unknowns and they will remain unknown until positive identification can be made, but they will be identified in my books as "member name's unknown".. like Joann's Purple Unknown". 

now.. compare to most of the members here, i have very few varieties. jon, the moderator, has over 1,000 trees. he has most extensive collection this side of pond. but there are others with similar collections on this forum... with hundreds of varieties and more in number of trees.. some have very rare trees that most outside of this forum has not even heard of.. 

so to come here and "explain" that we do not know what we are talking about.. is funny :) i had a good laugh. 

Can someone else, "an expert" tell me I am wrong? Or at least, that there is (or is not) real documented evidence "yet" to say that a 2 inch in diameter cutting will grow faster then a "typical" rooted cutting.

Think about something for a minute. If you have one 6 foot tall 1/2 inch diameter tree and you cut it back almost to the ground, and right beside it you have a 25 foot tall tree 2 inches diameter that you also cut back almost to the ground; you don't think the larger will out pace the smaller? I'm telling you it will. I've done it. The tree I currently cut from; years ago I tried to get rid of because it was wrapped up with a rose bush. I cut it to the ground. In just a couple of years it was huge.

No sapling would have ever grown like that.

The experience of the people here is why I joined this forum, but up until now all I've been is bullied. I was referred here by a customer. I'm not telling you anything I haven't seen. I think outside of the box and have studied my figs personally for almost 8 years now. So to just discredit what I've done is very insulting to me.

I don't take for granted what I've learned here and I may have been a little out of line saying no one has done what I have. And for that, I apologize. But I have yet to be proven wrong.

I have multiple records from dozens of enthusiast that have identified this tree for me. We put our faith in these individuals. Not one has come back to me and said other wise. If DNA testing is needed, then so be it. We will look into it.

Thanks for the debate. :)

This is my opinion only, I know only one person personally on this forum. Let me make it clear that I am not pointing the finger at anyone here. I have a number of hobbies and belong to several forums. What I see in all forums is the following. I see people who claim to be experts that list on Ebay and are in the forum. They basically do this to advertise their wares and make money. Then there are those who take pride in the items they list on Ebay and will stand behind their product 100%. Then there are people on forums who truly enjoy what they are doing and will offer their wares simply for the price of shipping. Then only then if they have surplus will they list on Ebay.

Now in other forums when people sell items they will list Latin names and I know that the fig is basically one species with several cultivars. But in the case of figs I think the only way you can be certain of anything is a DNA test. Unfortunately I think unless you are buying from someone that is trust worthy, has been in the hobby for a long time and has bought or gotten trees from a reputable source that you can basically get almost anything. I want to stress at this point again that these are just only my observations and I am just thinking out loud.

As of now I have about 10 different cultivars of figs and when they are big enough where I end up with cuttings I may just end up trashing them or just giving them to family members who don't care what type of fig they are. I would be fearful of listing them on Ebay simply because I personally cannot say with 100% that they are what I got them as. I would hate to be the target of a topic simply because I didn't pay mega bucks for DNA test. Maybe someone can help me understand better but what I see is a single species of fig, with several cultivars with several varieties of names in each cultivar. If this is true can anyone be sure what they have without a DNA test? Personally I enjoy growing figs, I grow them for myself and not for a profit and I value the knowledge of the people on here who have already helped me and supported me in this hobby

I want to thank everyone who took time read this and point out that I am a newbie just stating some observations.

Fig_It_About_It, I would hope that open discussion and sharing of information and even people having opinions would not be confused with;

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I for one am not trying to bully anyone nor do I feel I have said anything so far that could possibly be construed as such. Just for your information, I am one of your past customers and am happy with the cuttings you sent, that being said, I bought one of your auctions that said it "could" be Genoa, I would not have been fine if it had been the one listed as "Genoa" for certain to later find you were not actually sure. Just my opinion. Also my opinion that my log is putting out growth the same size as other cuttings I started this year. 

fig_it_about_it,
Your comparison between trees of different caliper is actually incorrect. The difference is not so much the caliper size as the established root mass. The larger caliper tree has a larger root mass to re-establish the top growth. You are starting with a rooted cutting with a caliper of 2 inches. A fully rooted plant with 1/2 inch caliper would probably surpass the cutting in growth, given the same growing conditions.

I actually agree with you about getting better (earlier) growth with a larger caliper cutting, but that is after the roots get established, and that usually requires at least one season of growth. I have posted pictorial documentation of this.

For larger trees earlier, I have air layered 2 to 2-1/2 inch caliper limbs to get full grown trees. I have also rooted large caliper limbs, usually 18-24 inches long, emulating the posts of many members here. With a larger caliper short cutting (8") it will still need time to establish a solid root mass and top growth.

BTW I am a novice to figs, this is my 2nd season growing them, 15 months. After reading and emulating the posted information at this website, I was successful at rooting large caliper cuttings with only 2 months experience.

IMO if the "cutting" was an established air layer, there may possibly have been less discussions.

From the add:

I don't know if this was misleading or fraudulent. I once bought a brown turkey ( probably) labeled as RDB. (learning experience) But my primitive botany knowledge tells me to spend money on established root mass or proven valuable DNA, which seem to be lacking in this offering. Caveat Emptor

fig it,

Here's one of my rooted logs from a couple years ago. It was roughly 2+ inches wide at the bottom and roughly 2ft tall.
I got it from Jon but it died due to my mistakes.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/My-new-Panache-from-Jon-5106585

Please scroll down to post #8 where it clearly states it was a rooted cutting/log.
You are not re-inventing the wheel here. We've been here and done just about anything and everything.

I tried my best to stay out of this discussion but you continue to post and "for the most part" defend your reasons to warrant the price you are seeking. That's what it all boils down to. If you do sell it for that price more power to you. I wish you the best of luck.

But in the court of Public Opinion you are not winning your case. Sorry.

And in conclusion,
Your comment about being bullied is just another tactic to gain sympathy. I did not see anything remotely close to anyone bullying you.

This is all I will say.
Thank you

Well it didn't sell LOL. And I wont re-list it (at least not yet), because I do value the opinions. Please take a look at the root system on this cutting. I have developed a rooting method that is near 100%.

ascape- for the sake of argument, lets say I have also discovered a way to fully establish roots prior to planting (look at it as possible), would I experience a more rapid growth? I am studying this and will document my result.

javajunkie- your right, I may have been a little sensitive today, but you have to admit, I've been through the ringer. Not that I didn't deserve some of it.

It's good stuff. Everyone keep up the good work.

Wendi,

Having read over your postings and that of others in various threads there are several areas I would be cautious on. 

1. You are selling across state lines;
2. Saying something is for certain and not knowing for certain can be construed as fraud;
3. You have a rooted cutting, not an established tree;
4. A well established tree will grow back faster and stronger than a young rooted cutting, if both cut back to the ground.

1. Follow laws in both states;
2. Include the words "Maybe", "Probably", "Assumed" or other similar word;
3. If you do not have information to back up your claim do not say so in an ad;