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In   the Canadian site brugmansia-quebec.com this is how they describe  Peter's Honey:

12.99$2

What I bought as Peter's Honey turned out as......something else, so I cannot compare but I have Lattarula and Italian Honey: does that mean I should not buy a Petyer's Honey or those people are adding more confusion to the would of figs?
Could someone who has those varieties explain the differences and similarities?
Thanks

I've heard Italian Honey and Lattarula are about the same.  I think Peter's Honey might be redundant as well.

Sal,
I'm not an expert but from observations,
Peter's Honey belongs in the family of Kadota and Dottato, it has a thick smooth skin.
Italian Honey, Lattarula and White Marsailles have thin ribbed skin and are Italian Honey types.
<edit> I pinched all my Lemon Figlets this year, so I can't categorize it at this time.

From reading, the "italian honey" tag seems to be applied to any fig with an amber pulp and light exterior from Italy.

Good Luck.

What about the leaf pattern, the flavor, the number of seeds etc etc......?
Maybe it would be useful to regroup all similar figs in a category!
We could "explore" then some NEW varieties instead of "sweating" to get a new variety and then realize it is a CLONE of what we got already!

Sal,
The leaf shapes, size and figs are extremely variable (too variable for many cultivars) based on cultural practice and time of year. These characteristics can only be used for general pictorial comparisons.

There are "Flavor Groups" that have been mentioned in past discussions,
The flavor groups, to my understanding are;
Sugar...Improved Celeste, Eastern Brown Turkey, O'Rourke, Etc.
Honey...Italian Honey, White Marseilles, Atreano, Etc.
Adriatic...Adriatic JH, Conadria, Green Ischia, Etc.
Bordeaux... VDB, Mission, Vista, Etc.
Dark(Black)... Sals EL, Hardy Chicago, Dark Sicilian, Etc.
But these groupings are not a standard. I personally have been using these groupings to choose cultivars (the best in each group for my location).

The "NEW" cultivars are mostly mutations of existing cultivars, which create increased (commercial) profit when given a new name. They may be larger, sweeter, earlier or healthier than their mother, but are still in the same "category". There are also older cultivars that are being rediscovered, it seems to be up to the Consumer, to keep informed. Buyer Beware.

I have a Peter's Honey that's about to be ripe in a day or two. I'll post a pic when it's ready.

I have Kadota and Florentine cuttings rooting now.  And a Peters Honey to pick up this fall (thank Jules) So next year I can show pics of all three and we'll see if they are the same plant or not.

Again, most nurseries are out to make money so they will do and say just about anything to make a sell.  I do have the following and this is what I've learned:

Latturla is the same as Italian Honey...its a yellow ribbed fig
White Marseilles is identical to Latturula and Italian Honey BUT it's a green ribbed fig.  My WM and I have several of them are never yellow and are super sweet!
Lemon is not the same as either of them.  Lemon is SMOOTH skinned and my 2 trees don't taste that great.  Figs are larger than Latturula and others.

Pete is correct!  Peter's Honey belongs in the family of Kadota, Excel, and Dottato family.  It is a thick smooth skin fig that is very rich in flavor.  For years, my Peter's Honey would give me small yellow figs.  After I planted it in my orchard it took off and started giving me some awesome tasting figs.  My Latturulla was labeled as Latturula but planted next to my Peter's Honey and it gave me the exact same figs as Peter's Honey.  So, some folks can cause confusion.  I'm glad I know the difference now.

Pete, I also like you flavor categories.  I'm going to add that to my fig database.  But I do disagree with some of the figs in you category.

Meghan,
To clarify, we are not saying that Peter's honey is the same as Kadota, but it belongs in the "Family Group". Similar to the Family Group that includes  VDB, Negronne and Petite Aubique. Also just as Kadota is a mutation of Dottato, and belongs in that "Family Group".

Dennis,
I welcome the discourse, I believe there is much room for discussion on the subject of "Flavor Groupings", which figs belong where, and if a few more groups can be added. IMO, It would help to decrease the confusion.

Okay, that makes sense Pete.  Thank you!

thanks, Pete!

Peter's Honey was one of my sweetest figs this year.  Totally blew my mind!  Megha, you're going to fall in love with Kadota and PH.  There's a store in my area that sells PH, bt they are 50 bucks a pop!

At UC Davis, Excel was one of my favorites.  It's so rich and flavorful.  I think I have 3 Excel fig trees and 3 Kadotas.

Dennis, I hear it supposed to be better than the Italian Honey, and that one was very good this year.  So I can't wait to try it!

Do you have Florentine too?  Is it the same as Kadota? 

Meghan,

I had a Kadota (maybe Banana) I picked up from Maas Nursery in Seabrook many years ago as well as a Peter's Honey I bought in NJ.  Once growing side by side, there really wasn't much difference between the two.  If the figs had been taken off the trees for me, I would not have been able to tell you which one they came from.

Here's my Peter's Honey fig that I picked today.

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JD,
For comparisons, pictures of both dominant leaves and figs are usually required. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by ascpete
JD,
For comparisons, pictures of both dominant leaves and figs are usually required. Thanks.


I added a leaf picture to post #14.

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