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 Tony
 I want to thank you for this list.  You've done a great service to many of us.  
Everyone that is sharing the data they compile, from their research and expeiences is truly appreciated.

  This is great
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Xinel,  I just saw you added to it,   Thank you!!!

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Hi,
One year has passed us by since my last post in this thread.
Growing in my yard is the "proud man's fig" ... Drums please ... better known as: "Goutte d'or" - which could be in the "Brunswick" family if not the same cultivar.
The production was good this year for the size of the trees. They are still young and growing. Next year should be even better.
What impressed me was the size of the fruit, the honey sirup in the center and the taste. Only "problem" - the fruit swells during a longer period and sometimes, it seems like for ever :( .
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Should Bayernfeige Violetta reputed as being the most cold hardy fig be on this list?


As per this old GW thread that is just EBT: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fig/msg080342546413.html

My understanding is Florea is probably the hardiest.
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Great topic guys!
Even though I live in a normaly much warmer area of the country, last winter was more than brutal to us with temps staying into the single digits for days (Fahrenheit scale)and wind chills that felt way colder! A good friend had a huge local Celest variety tree ,multiple trunks about thirty years old and planted smack in the center of a good size field totally unprotected from the elements! Died down to the roots and never came back! In general most local figs were badly damaged and anyone else from this area can attest to that!
After saying that I d like to add that my two 5 year old celeste inground made it unharmed but growing next to the house( SE location) my LSU purple got totally slammed, (next to the house SW spot) still alive but no fruit,trying to recover but here is the strange part, my 5 year old black mission growing in a bush unprotected and near the NE corner of the property came back like nothing ever happened and I' m talking Zero die back or at least visibly damaged limbs and produced about 50 smaller and later than normal figs that all ripened and tasted great! Legit mountain fig? Maybe not but I think it might deserve a second look and chance as a candidate !
So I nominate Black mission as a posible mountain warrior ;)
Thanks for Your time!

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Posted Reply with quote  #56 
Thanks for the link on Bayernfeige Violetta  Kelby!  Also great to hear about Florea!
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Hey jdsfrance! If and when you get a chance could you post a pic or two of your "Goutte d'or" just for comparison purposes !
I have, what I'm 99% sure is ,a Brunswick and would like to see any similarities or differences with Yours. Thanks much!
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Kelby, you are right. Florea in my knowledge is the same as Mitchurinska10. Mitchurinska is native on the Balcan region as far as Serbia, which is the origin of Florea. The mothercountry for this variety is Bulgaria where its running under the name as 'common fig'. Mitchurinska10 is also a honey type fig, ripens about the same time as Florea. This variety is also has the same properties like Florea. For example it doesnt resist to rain, doesnt tolerate the dark hours when the sun isnt shining, and can easily sour if the weather is too rainy. The leafshape is the same as Florea.
If are they the same and we can belive to the Bulgarian agricultural university this variety is able to survive -20C with little to no damage, but it depends of the thickness of the branches. 
Anyway, this variety is very valuable due to the early ripenning time..

I put up some photos about my mitchurinska10, what do you think are they the same fig?
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 Tony
 I want to thank you for this list.  You've done a great service to many of us.  
Everyone that is sharing the data they compile, from their research and expeiences is truly appreciated.

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I'm glad that the thread has been of use. 
It helps keep my thoughts organized on cold hardy early ripening cultivars, "mountain figs."
I think of mountain figs also as "robust" varieties, or "cold robust," in that even if they die back to ground in winter they can regrow and fruit the same year.
All the new ideas and information from diverse sources are great to see and learn from moving forward.
"Mountain figs" taste great and seem to be the most productive type here in snowy growing zone 6b.

Maybe the most widespread type of cold robust fig is the Mount Etna / Mongibello cultivar, so widespread that it goes by many names.
I think of these varieties as strains of the single Mount Etna / Mongibello cultivar, more or less (see post #44).
There seems to be some difference in productivity and ripening times and vigor among these Mt Etna strains though the fruit and leaves seem essentially identical, indicating a single cultivar.
Fig growers looking for diversity in both leaf shape and taste with "mountain figs" will have to go beyond this list of Mt Etna strains:
Improved Celeste, Celeste PP, Malta Black, Adriatic JH among others are all cold robust and all taste different from one another and from the Mt Etna strains.
There are probably some mistakes in this list of Mt Etna types, and it is far from complete, but for what it's worth:

Mount Etna / Mongibello strains
Hardy Chicago
Marseilles Black (VS)
Takoma Violet
Sal's (EL/GS)
Gino's Black
Dark Portuguese
Salem Dark
Black Bethlehem
Hardy Hartford 
Natalina 
Keddie
Mount Etna Unknown
Bari
GM #11 / Sicilian Dark
Abba
Don Fortissi Black
Jersey Fig
Martini
Hardy Pittsburgh
NJ Red
San Donato / Calabria
Dominick's fig
Angelo's Dark
U. Ciccio Nero
Bryant Dark
Angelo's Dark
Ginoso
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Posted Reply with quote  #60 
That is a great lead Kristian, thanks for sharing! I can't answer that yet as I have rooted cuttings only.

Hopefully herman2 will see this and chime in. He introduced the fig to the US from his father's garden in Serbia, so that would line up with your comments. He has stated on GardenWeb that it survived temps of -25C in Serbia and -4F here in New Jersey.
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Posted Reply with quote  #61 
Tony, Thank you so much for starting such a great post! Thanks also, to everyone else who has added Cultivars that are cold Hardy! Great post...:)
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Posted Reply with quote  #62 
I found an untended, unknown fig in my town that stood 0F without any dieback, AND it produced brebas after that kind of cold. I transplanted a small clump which produced some nice figs for me this summer. The leaf shape and fruit make me think it is Brunskwick. So far I am still calling it my unknown, but the more I look at pics of Brunswick, the more sure I am getting.
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Kristian,

In regard to your list, at this point I would include additionally as light "mountain figs": Binello, Lattarola, and Adriatic JH. 
The latter 2 based on the reports of others. And Binello for me ripened fruit this summer after dying back to the ground during this past harsh winter. 
However, Binello like a few others on your list ripened late for me. Most of its figs did not ripen.
Maybe when older Binello and some others will ripen earlier.

As for the dark "mountain figs" list, I think that listing the many different Mt Etna strains (Hardy Chicago type) as a single cultivar better clarifies that actual diversity of mountain fig varieties. You list 9 or 10 names that are actually the same cultivar as far as fruit and leaf go, as far as I can tell. I did the same thing when I first made a mountain figs list. But I now see that there are dozens of differently named Mt Etna typed figs that seem to all be essentially the same fig, with some differences in performance. It seems that some Mt Etna strains grow faster and bigger than others, or produce more fruit more quickly, or have healthier leaves and so on. So I think it's important to keep the different names on the strains, while realizing that the culitvar appears to be one and the same.

All the other fig names on the mountain figs lists represent significantly different cultivars (different leaf shapes, different fruit tastes, and so on), as far as I can tell.

Any information or experiences that you could add that would explain why you added cultivars to the list would be interesting. For example, what information or experience might you have in regard to one I know nothing about: Ali Pasha?
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Tony, you could add the cultivar Black Cartagena to your cold hardy fig tree list.
I have one in ground, started as a cutting five or six years ago.
I used winter protection, with mulch and a plastic bag.
She started in spring from ground level and now has fruits almost ripen.
I got ripen fruits starting last week 24.09. Fruits are small and sweet.
You can see leaves pattern and a small fruit in picture:

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rofig,

Black Cartagena looks like it belongs to the Mt Etna cultivar, given the look of the leaf and fruit in your picture. Is that your view? Pictures can be tricky to read sometimes.
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Hi Tony!

I have received cuttings of Ali-Pasha fig cultivar from Bulgaria together with Michurinska-10.
Ali-Pasha is said to be even more cold hardy than Florea / Michurinska-10.
I have them both as one year old rooted cuttings, so no figs yet.

In time, I could add more details and pictures about them both.
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Tony,

Your question is justifiable. About Ali Pasha. This variety is coming from Bulgaria, from the city of Kuklen. The original owner of this cultivar is Georgi Goshev, I was speak with this nursery owner. He told me a lot of good things about this variety, for example this fig has higher sugar level, much higher than Mitchurinska10, resist to rain, and ripens very early around the end of July in Bulgaria. He mentioned I have to try this variety in my climate, due to these properties.
About the others, I can only invoking to others experiences.

I link a forum where you can see photos about the fruits of this fig.

http://exoticplants.ovo.bg/forum/6-42-3
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Posted Reply with quote  #67 
Kristian thanks for the link! I tried to apply my Greek and read some with limited success ! Awesome pics regardless! If you find some time,Which pic shows the Ali Pasa figs? And what variety are the comercial figs( the ones in the crates)? Thanks again for Your input from that part of the world!
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Posted Reply with quote  #68 
More interesting info Kristian, thank you!

Chris, my translation said "Peter Black" about the figs in crates.
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Thanks kelby great work once again bud! Those figs looked awesome by the way! Wish we had a couple of those crates now,lol!
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Ali Pasha looks like a nice variety Kristian.  When I translated the page it said it had a "turkoezichnoto" name.  Do you know what that means?  Perhaps a bad google translation?  Thank you.
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Greg,
You are right, its a bad translation, unfortunately I dont speak bulgarian. I have an opinion what does this mean, I think its mean this variety is coming from Turkey, because Turko means Turkish, and ezoichnoto means language. I was speak with Georgi, the original owner and he told me the city was under Turkish occupation during the 16th, and 17th century or more, as Hungary too..
But if you would like to make sure, speak with penandpike, or pako, cause they are from Bulgaria, but I think the word means what I was write down  to you.
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There is a video on youtube showing the Kuklen fig,
as I undertand this is Ali Pasha cultivar.
This cultivar was introduced by turkish 200 years ago,
maybe someone from Turkey can identify its name.

Enjoy watching:
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That's what I suspected.  Thank you guys!

If anyone in the USA has this fig lets talk!
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I add more pictures with my fig tree Black Cartagena and some facts about it:
- this is planted in ground,
- with winter protection
- after freezing to ground level with fruit same year,
this year figs were ripen in end of september


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Nice photos rofig! The look very similar to my Chicago hardy!
Ali Pasha was the name of the "governor" of the province of Heipiros (north west Greece) during the Turkish occupation Of the Balkans in the 1800s!
He (Ali P) revolted against the palace and that friction gave the rest of the occupied nations the chance to rise up against Turkey and fight for their freedom!
Maybe he was the one that introduced this fig variety as His favorite ,hence the name!
Just a thought!!!!
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Posted Reply with quote  #76 
The leaves look like belong to a Mt. Etna type fig.
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Never thought about black mission before will give it a try. Lattarola did very well for me and gave the first fruits of the year. All my trees were top killed in winter. Second place goes to the unknown connies dark. It produced about 2 dozen med to large fruits that were just awesome. Hardy Chicago badly made it back at all. This will be,my first winter with Violleta bayerfeige and nordland unprotected in ground.
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CH one year old cutting! Sorry ,not the best pic but look at the leaf in the background ! Almost identical and I think CH is a mount Etna cultivar as per the list on a previous posting by hllyhll! Do you guys see any resemblance on the figs?

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Another useful cold hardy fig is Precose Ronde de Bordeaux. I understand that this variety is NOT the same as Ronde de Bordeaux, that is mentioned in several of the lists above. I can not tell as I do not own the Ronde de Bordeaux.
This is a great topic, thanks for starting it!
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Also very winterhard Variity:
Viola
Schweizer Brünli
Lussheim
Blaue Dolomitenfeige
Early Black
North Afghan Wild Figs(Tadschikistan)
Kunduz
Gigant
Bornholm Diamant
Sue Zhuo
Zwingenberg
Pauls Frostkönigin
Mitschurins
Mitschurinski 10
Wild Figs Johannis
Vallecalda
Montana Negra
Petrovaca
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Paul, do you have a picture of the leaves of Mitschurins that you could post?  I have a small fig labeled Michurin's Fig.  I'm very curious if it might be the same.  Also, do you know anything about this fig's history?  Thank you.
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Paul, do you have a picture of the leaves of Mitschurins that you could post?  I have a small fig labeled Michurin's Fig.  I'm very curious if it might be the same.  Also, do you know anything about this fig's history?  Thank you.


I have Mitschurinski 10. I like buy Mitschurins from the Fig-Dealer Mr. Kruchem(Hortensis) in Germany - Waake. He have only the hardest Fig, but not all. We have Problems become the Hardest Figs from Nort Asia. So i make Seedlings from Afghan dried Fig. In the moment my new Variety Kunduz is my best Fig Plant.

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Paul, has your seedling Kunduz fully ripened figs yet? If so, how does it taste? I think that is really great you grew it from seed.
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This forum is a great resource!

Some thoughts:
*A plant living (high) in the mountains of Italy or Iran may well have freezing winter temps and chilly summer nights. But (I presume) a long, relatively hot and dry summer with plenty of sunlight. While e.g. -15 degrees celcius might be tolerated there, this value may or may not be what limits how far up north the plant will succeed along the coast, where low temps are moderated by the proximity to water mass, but so is summer heat and sunlight is limited.
*Plant survival and (worthwhile) fruiting quality and quantity may not be perfectly correlated. Some species may be prone to being killed in winter but otherwise put up good fruit in numbers, while others might grow healthy but never be able to set good fruit. The former may be suited for heavy winter protection or lugging pots inside, while the latter may need a green house.

I do wonder how I can improve micro climate, and what can be gained from this. Well-drained soil is needed by most plants in my (humid) climate. This means more rapid heat up in spring, but more frequent watering. Planting against a reflective south wall/fence of some heat retention seems like a good idea. Using black woven ground cover. Using large stones for heat retention and weed protection. The next step probably is a green house of some sort, or plastic for wind shade.

Mt Etna type figs seems more prevalent in the US than in europe?

This page describes a thorough study to find figs suited for Denmark:
http://www.westergaards.dk/node/182

This page describes one mans attempts at growing figs in Sweden:
http://www.fruitiers-rares.info/articles57a62/article59-Fig-growing-in-Sweden-Ficus-carica.html

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Paul, has your seedling Kunduz fully ripened figs yet? If so, how does it taste? I think that is really great you grew it from seed.


Kunduz is 3,5 Year old. This Fruit was the first Fruit. Just more Fruit from the second Fruit Generation. This Fruit bigger and bigger and i wait for End-Ripening, but i sure that they ripen and in Future more Fruit. The Plant grow very good in my Klima. Much other Variity have Problems grow here. The Mother was a Wild Fig from North Afghanistan, but i thing that the Seed have had Kultur-Gene. I have more Seedlings. 1 Variity i have give the Name Gigant. They grow extremly in my Klima.

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Hi, Paul, its great to read how well your figs are doing! I do not recognize any of the fig nanes you posted :-). But then again, i am new at fig collecting...not at eating or loving figs, though! I look forward to more of your postings so that I can learn about the varieties in your area.
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