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Mule figs not Dall'osso aka Fetifero

I have a fig from a source that I trace back to Italy (a very specific location and person known to me there), which I believe may be Dall'Osso / fetifero.  I know that the source from whom I got it believes it to be so.  I personally make no claim that it is so until I see fruit from the tree.  So in a year or two I may post here (if it looks likely once I have fruit).  Of course, if it looks different or questionable, then I probably won't post here.  Meanwhile, it is just kind of a fun thing to explore.  Certainly I know and understand that it is questionable, but it is just fun to pursue and find out.  I've shared cuttings with a few others in different locales who are growing the same stock (cuttings from the same tree).  I guess we will see!

After all, the last three characters of this forum are "fun", right?

Mike   central NY state, zone 5a

It's true Mike it is fun until a member pays hundreds of dollars for a fake. Then it's not fun anymore. 

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... it is fun until a member pays hundreds of dollars for a fake.


Who would be _____ enough to do that?   (Fill in the blank with your favorite denigrating adjective).  Hundreds of dollars?  Sounds crazy to me.  Is that why you started this thread?

Mike

No I started this thread to show that my fig was not dall'osso and to beware of fakes because they are out there. Is this a question about who would pay hundreds for a real dall'osso? I didn't pay hundreds for mine but I'm sure over 50% of us have spent over $100 maybe even 200 or more on a fig tree at some point in their life.  So I guess some of us are  _______  but I would pay over 200 for a real Dall'Osso right now. I'm a rare fruit collector so obtaining some varieties of ancient fruits and figs can be costly. That said I'm not wealthy by no means and will never bid or pay over 400 agian for any tree when I can get 10 trees for that much and share cuttings of them to acquire new varieties I don't have. Often new fig growers will buy an expensive fig tree and use the cuttings from it to expand their orchards and collections by trading with others. Without having interesting varieties to share with others you are limited on what you can acquire, unless you have the funds to fork out thousands of dollars on all the varieties you want in your collection. I love figs4fun and yes it is fun but there are many people who have not gotten the variety they was told they was getting and when money is involved it takes a little bit of the fun out of it. Will that make a person stop collecting? maybe. Has it stopped me, no but everyone is different. I don't want people to give up on growing figs or bad mouth the community just because of an honest mistake and 90% of the time thats the case. it's not like the seller or person trading is lying about what that have but instead they didn't wait to see the figs and know for sure they are what they are called before sharing or selling plant material. Sometimes the plant tags get lost and mix ups happen there and then sometimes people do lie. This post was only to warn people of fakes not call out a seller or grower. Then I get bad mouthed by people who think they have a real deal but have no photo to back up the fact (Rookie).Mike if you have a friend in Italy please get him to send us a picture please. let's put this to rest for real all we need is a photo. the rumor is that only 1 person has the real dall'osso tree in Italy if this is so and people know him someone has a picture of the this fig. 

Hi, Crystal!
I have pictures on my computer, hopefully tomorrow I will get my linkys wireless adapter for my computer so I can connect to internet. And post pictures on a forum.
Olya

Thanks  Olya, we look forward to it. 

Hi, sorry, I got adapter today and this is a wrong one.. If some how I will be able to connect my computer to the Internet before the right one will get here, I will post the picture..

I guess I can't listen my husband next time when he will tell me any adapter will work..
Very sorry again..
Olya.

No obligations needed Olya. Its all FUN. What matters most, you are happy figging and a BONUS if every thing
is true per description. I have a few variants that were not true but no biggie as I am happy with what I have
and wonderful fig friends that wants me to have a bigger collection -- a wonderful challenge. Hey, maybe Russian
women are historically raise to listen to their husband But I know most women knew everything about men and
vice versa man knows little about women --- all in jest.

Daniel and WillsC,
Cavaliere is a very very good fig. I have 5 of them - 3 of which produced this year - 2 produced last year.
Information is pretty scarce. Mine match the literature and I got them from Gene Hosey so I think they are genuine.
I can send you pictures if you want.
I haven't downloaded from my camera in quite awhile but there are at least a couple representative figs captured.
I have one left that's large and a few days from ripening. I guess I'll take a few photos of it as it is probably the last one that will ripen. Cavaliere was very productive - those in their second year of producing figs - anyway. 
I was hoping for any scrap of info as this appears to be a very well thought of fig in Italy.
It does very well in zone 7A in Virginia, and is superior in taste even from young trees.
I think my oldest tree is 5 years old. Next year this variety gets the big pots as it is a definite "keeper".
I will not be selling or giving away cuttings so please no PM's.
I will, however, make a few starts for sale or trade for those interested.
I did give away/sell plants of this variety to those that had it on their wish list when I first acquired my trees so there are a few others around that I know of, as well as a few that are in other collections that I believe are unrelated to mine.

Somebody in Italy seems to have the real deal: my friend Vladimiro. See post # 47

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/i-am-writing-from-italy-hello-america-5531293?&trail=25&full_version=1

How much are they asking for this fig?  Maybe it is worth vacationing there and picking up a couple:) 

Hi!
I'm back on Internet with my computer..
Ok, here a picture sing:
Particolare della stampa del fico 'Fetifero' del Gallesio (1800) Biblioteca Malatestiana Cesena

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Now I will put picture of Fetifero or Dall'osso frpm Paolo Dall'Ossocollezione-fichi-2-1.JPG  Dall'Ossocollezione-fichi-2-2.JPG  Dall'Ossocollezioni-fichi-3-7.JPG 


I would love to see the inside already? :)

And now I will tell you little story about this fig..
I think Giorgio Galessio saw this fig in 1800 and he just was surprise about this double form or mutated for of this fig and decide to make a picture...
And this variety was not so rare up to few years back..
In North part of Italy was many trees of Dall'Osso, but one winter was very cold weather and kill all those trees..
Before this happen, figs collectors got cuttings and start they new trees..
But...
Last year, was huge fight on Italian figs forum..
People start telling each other who have wrong ones and who have right one..
Why???
I don't come to this forum very often.. sorry..
but time to time I open and read..
And some people saying they think in they area this variety can produce different color, or taste. or even size of fig..
And I think they are right..
Plant what move from south area to north will need addapt to new climate or die, or be sick and weak..
So, because Paolo live in South Italy his plant have this black color on both parts..
Lots depend from soil, water and sun..
And also, not many people know, but Dall'Osso Fetifero producing only 15-20% of this double, or mutated form and I think in a beggining I think you will see normal fruits, but with age you will see more and more double or mutated form..
Now, people who got plants from me..
I now know both parts will look black..Just like Paolo..
I was hoping part near branch will look more green, but not, they look like Paolo..
He saying, this is normal, so much time pass from 1800 and this is how this variety look now..
I hope, I give info you are was looking for..
And say another Italian fig Piombinese.. Info about this one go back 400 years, but this one produce normal figs, no no pics..
I think we like to see something different..
Say like Jolly Tiger.. Most people want to get vegitated form..
I personally got myself not vegitated..
I just tired to kepp it in a shade and never see fruits..
So, now I got a normal one, so I can try it..
I collect figs, so I can eat them..
Olya.


This is pics of fruit inside on second year old plant. Foto0325[1].jpg 


Thanks for the pictures . Very good looking Dell Osso dark fig - looks like a filbert nut but bigger. Olya, I understand there is a non dark Dell Osso that is ancient or very old fig. Do you know anything about it ?By the way congratulations on such a unique fig in your collection.

Hi, Paul!
Sorry, I don't understand, do you asking about fig what we give a name Dall'Osso( white)?
Or for Dall'Osso what have one part more green and another one black?
If you asking about Dall'Osso ( white) cuttings what was sold or share early this year..
Mother tree was found in Florence Italy in one very old garden, this garden more then 100 years old, one rich man bring rarest plants from all over the world to this garden, now he is dead and people can walk and see the plants..
My friend saw this huge old fig tree with many figs on this tree what look like Dall'Osso or Fetifero double form, only color was green, not a black..
My friend root one cutting and when plant was in 3 gallon pot , this plant was shipped to Paolo so, he can tell what this is actually is..
This is kind interesting..But I saw on my Red Lebanese (Marius) one double fruit, tomorrow I will make a pic and post, now too dark and raining here..
I saw double form before on White Genoa in my garden and on few others..
And, real don't pay much attention to it..
But after this posts, I start looking more on my figs:-)
If you asking if I know where to get Dall'Osso with one part looking more green and another one black.. Sorry, I was hope I can get both and completely black and half and half, but both places have  a black figs...
Olya.

So where do we get cuttings Lol ?

Dall'Osso Fetifero was sold on Ebay and some cuttings of Dall'Osso (white) too..
So, I guess in a future they will be available between figs collectors..
I can't tell for sure if we will have more for sale..
Person from who we got it last time, real don't want to sell Dall'Osso Fetifero, he want to save this variety for Italy..
And people who know Paolo can get cuttings from him, only he don't speak English..sorry..

sorry but thats not the real dall'osso. Vladimiro has the same one and said his is not real either. the real dall'osso dall osso.jpg  is like the painting on post #63 


Hi Olya
Thanks for the story on this interesting fig!  It is nice to know its history.  Is your friend Paolo from Giardini di Pomona? 

Crystal I feel sorry for you and Vladimiro also..
Investigation on Dall'Osso done, finish...
Good luck looking for "real one"..
I sent you messages, explain.. now I just washing my hands..
I done with you...
We was searching for information on Dall'Osso for month, talking with people who spend they whole life collecting old Italian figs in Italy..Figs this is they life...From father to son.. 
I don't know Vladimiro...
And I think..I have enough figs friends without him, or you..
And also, I was saying nothing..But, I find out some info, about what you was openly lying here..
So, your words mean nothing to me..
I just decide to share info and photos ..
I just love talk about figs and find interesting information..
And if my info help anybody on this forum..My job is done..
Olya.

I can get cuttings of the same one you have Olga the all black It's called a false dall'osso by my friends and I can possible get the black and white that's on Ficus carica.com which looks more like the real one but nobody & I mean nobody has the fig that's Giorgio Galessio calls Dall'osso.

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