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My First Pollinated Syrian Saydawi Fig

Hello everyone!
I finally know what type of fig I have which turned out to be a Syrian Saydawi Fig. With the help of Bass who helped me search and learn about Syrian figs I found pictures of a similar tree and figs (It's In Arabic) here. In Arabic it is written "التين الصيداوي".
The tree produces small figs when not pollinated like these:
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Those figs tasted sweet and had a hint of a melon and a bit of fruitiness. Mostly sweetness.
Then Two of my figs got pollinated (one split and the other ripened).
I got the ripening one protected because I wanted to taste it and I did.
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Here it is on my hand.

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Size comparison with a Syrian 25 Pounds coin (Similar to the Canadian 25 cents).

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The open eye is oozing nectar or honey.
Very prone to splitting even in my dry country.

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From inside.
Caramel colour with crunchy viable seeds. The skin tasted sweet with a consistency of candied fruit. The interior; however, had a jammy consistency with a syrupy honey and crunchy seeds. It tasted similar to dried figs but lighter and juicier. It wasn't as sweet as dried figs (I guess they put extra sugar on dried figs), but it had a better texture and was rather refreshing and its skin was much softer than dried figs. There was a little hint of a melon after-taste to it and then you feel the seeds and they tasted just like dried fig seeds!

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Here are the viable seeds! They sink just like Francisco A.K.A lampo told me to do to check.

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One seeds is a floater (not viable).

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Inside the shell of a viable fig seed.

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Decided to try planting them. I will pot them if they sprout :)

Edit: Here is the picture Francisco requested of the floating seed:
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It is empty from inside, that is why it was floating on the water. Like a balloon filled with air!


I hope you guys enjoyed the pictures!
Mohammad,


Hi Mohammad,

Congratulations !
Great job. You did go to the extreme of cracking the fig seed shell open! you seem to have the proper tools to do it and take such a fantastic picture.
If I may suggest it would be interesting to make a picture of a cracked floater...
The kernel seems to be still hardening ! I would rather wait another 2 or 3 weeks before planting them
It remembers me the 'green' almonds I used to pick up to open the soft shell and eat the jelly kernel while still hardening.. Grand mother did fantastic salads with these green almonds.
Now my last question - where did you get the pollen from ??

Francisco

Opps!
Ill let them dry then!
I cracked it using a knife.
It my Samsung Note2 hehehe good phone camera for macro.
Umm... the floater is in the seeds I guess (Didn't bother seperating) Ill let them dry for tonight and I will soak them again in the morning to find the floater and take a picture of it and PM you when I post it.
We eat some tropical plant that has something like almonds inside but it tastes sweeter. Like how peaches have bitter almond-like things inside ;)
Ummm... the pollen is a mystry as there are wild ficus growing around and I think I got a hybred with it... unlikely but I have no other theory on the origins of the pollen other than that.. what do you think?

Mohamed, that fig looks so good. Gotta add it to my wish list. Congrats on having it identified.

Great you find something very similar to this fig. It's looking great. You're right about non pollinated vs. pollinated figs they can have much different size and pulp color.
Si dawn refers to something from Saida (Sidon) which is a coastal city in south Lebanon. Ive never seen reference to this variety, it must be a local name for that fig in that area. So it probably not a 100% that variety! but very close.

Enjoy

Thanks for the nice comments :)

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Originally Posted by Bass
Great you find something very similar to this fig. It's looking great. You're right about non pollinated vs. pollinated figs they can have much different size and pulp color. Si dawn refers to something from Saida (Sidon) which is a coastal city in south Lebanon. Ive never seen reference to this variety, it must be a local name for that fig in that area. So it probably not a 100% that variety! but very close. Enjoy


Yeah Saida in Lebanon, I have been there ;)
I have been to Syria and Lebanon, but have not tasted a fig there. I remember that Syrian tomatoes were soooooo Delicious compared to commercial tomatoes sold here.
The weird thing is that my tree changed the leaf pattern now from 5 lobes to 3 and the new leaves have red colour to them. Maybe it is starting to mature after 1 year in ground. "Excited"!
Any idea if a wild ficus that has clusters of small figs can pollinate a common fig?

Mohammad,

Congratulations!
Many times we talk about crunchy seeds, seeds with kernel and empty seeds !
You did a fantastic job shwing us what all that means and why pollinated seeds are so crunchy and add to the fruit flavors
This is a very important contribution to the forum.
Now we all know of what we are talking about..

The pollen mystery !?
May be you have a good connection in the Min of Agriculture (Division of Pomology)..
An agronomist or entomologist may be the ideal source to respond to the question..
Think it is worth a try !
Will try and dig a picture showing that clutch of wild figs you are talking about..

Francisco

Mohammad - Very nice work.  Very nice pictures.

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Thanks guys!
Im afraid There are no agriculture center in my area.
Here is a picture of the ficus I was talking about.


Mohammad,

Here are the pictures showing those clusters of wild figs about being ripen
around the 20th of June 2013.
These are good sources of pollen.

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Francisco


Mohammad,

The branch you show on above picture seems to belong to a 'Ficus Sycomorus' used to be common in several ME countries, namelly Egypt as well as throughout Africa
It grows to an imposant size and may produce several crops every season. It develops its own insect and pollen and to my knowledge it cannot caprify the Ficus Carica

Francisco

Mohammad, real nice thread, very informative and interesting.

Thanks Waynea.
@Francisco, wow nice figs, they look huge!
If that was not the source of pollen, I then have no idea but I sure wish they pollinate more of my figs hehe!

Mohammad,

You may have somewhere not far from your place, a lone Caprifig with a live colony of Blastophaga insects (the pollinators).

Francisco

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Originally Posted by lampo
Mohammad,

You may have somewhere not far from your place, a lone Caprifig with a live colony of Blastophaga insects (the pollinators).

Francisco

I need to search for it and pot it if it dosent belong to anyone... hehehe that fig tasted so much better than non pollinated ones. Perhaps if I was able to grow a caprifig from the seeds I would have a supply of pollinators ready for my figs :)

Speedmaster I too have a problem as to where my figs got daprified from this year.
I live in a very tall building in the last floor and there is no male fig tree around for sure.

Francisco do the blastophaga reach these heights?
Also hpif they do how do they harbour the pollen for such long distance?

Eli.. Mohammad,

Have a look on this page
http://www.amjbot.org/content/88/12/2214.full

Your figs could not be pollinated, unless good/ripe  Profichi Caprifigs are in the neighborhoods and ready to dispatch their squadrons of wasps smeared with pollen.
Receptive Common and Smyrna fig types seem to help and send to those wasps a series of signals.. - pheromones..proteins.... volatiles..(God knows what!)  to help them to find their whereabouts thus easing and helping full or partial  pollination.

Eli,
The height of a tall residential building, is no problem for the minute Blastophaga...If they 'smell' receptive figs there, I have no doubt that they will adjust their bearings and will show up in the right place !
Recent studies have shown that the insect may travel dozens of miles to reach its objective

Francisco
Portugal


Great photos, thanks for sharing them.

Mohammad, 
very informative thread, thank you.

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When the fig wasp cant take the heat
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/26/science/fig-wasps-crucial-tropical-pollinators-face-a-climate-threat.html?_r=0

http://www.climatenewsnetwork.net/warmer-wasps-may-mean-fewer-figs/
Probably global warming affecting our figs too..

I wonder if i put my tree in the north corner it has more chance of being caprified benefiting from less temperature
And pollination using the wind like in dates.

From what I have observed along many seasons Most successful Caprifigs (many fruit on every crop and plenty of well developed Profichi) are trees born in ravines, deep valleys, near big shady trees,  somehow partially protected and shaded.... and with sizable canopies with dense foliage.
In time these trees always provide plenty of pollinators and pollen.
You rarely find good Caprifigs fully exposed to weather.
IMO major damaging impact may come from early heat waves in spring (April/May) when temperatures some times go beyond 35ºC. An exposed wild fig may easily loose the full crop

Francisco
Portugal

It is nice to see such a great visual of caprified vs non-caprified fruit and seeds! Thank you for sharing! The inside of the viable seed is really beautiful.

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