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baust55

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Posted 1367193540	Reply with quote #1

I was interested in using benaficial fungi and bacteria to help my plants grow . So i am trying this product called..." Plant Succes" . There seems to be a lot of similar products. Do any of you use this product or a similar one ? Tricoderma and endo- and ectomycorrhizal fungi spores are the special ingredients in all-natural Plant Success Granular. These beneficial fungi are combined with kelp meal, humus, vitamins and amino acids to encourage spore germination. Plant Success Granular improves soil structure, enhances root development and assists with nutrient and water uptake and retention. The result is stronger, healthier plants and increased overall yields. __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1367199841	Reply with quote #2

I use mykos and azos. In my experience it helped the roots out a lot. But Its too expensive for me though. My guess is you would probably see improvements with "plant success" though. __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

javajunkie

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Posted 1367200126	Reply with quote #3

I'm using that as well Henry and it's cheaper on ebay than through the web site. __________________ Tami SE Texas

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1367200488	Reply with quote #4

I'll have to check ebay. Thanks for the heads up Tami. They work really well, its just that for the amount of powder you get its too expense. __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

javajunkie

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Posted 1367200709	Reply with quote #5

I really don't believe the plants need quite as much as they suggest either. I lowered the dose and they are still thriving. Also, putting the Azos in water for existing plants can be cut quite a bit. I think 1/2 cup to a gallon is just a little high so I put 1/3 cup and it really stretches the product without and ill effects on the plants. __________________ Tami SE Texas

baust55

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Posted 1367200746	Reply with quote #6

Yes it was pricy .. but cheaper if you search diffrent vendors on ebay or amazon . I am also going to try a diffrent Soluble version of the same product . Plant Success Soluble is a soil drench for porous soil and contains 9 species of endomycorrhizae & 10 species of ectomycorrhizae, carefully selected mycorrhizal fungi. This product also contains 11 bacterial species, 2 species of trichoderma and biostimulant. It is well suited to a variety of soils, climates and plants. Plant Success Soluble contains mycorrhizal fungi that colonize plant roots and extend the root system into the surrounding soil, greatly enhancing the absorptive surface area of root systems and forming an essential link between plant and soil, which produces seedlings of the highest quality. Also included is specially formulated natural root biostimulant. The plant enjoys improved nutrient and water uptake, and superior field performance. Plant Success Soluble can be stored in a cool dry area for 24 months without loss of viability Package Features: Reduces: -Drought stress -Water and fertilizer needs Increases: -Flowering and fruiting -Water and nutrient storage and uptake -Root growth Promotes: -Extensive root system -Soil structure -Plant establishment __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

ascpete

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Posted 1367204224	Reply with quote #7

Espoma Bio-tone or any of the other "-tone" products...I have used them for years. Its available at Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart and most local nurseries (at least in the Northeast). Espoma-Tones As far as application, the idea is to innoculate the soil or container, then provide a healthy environment for the bacteria to reproduce. You should not have to keep adding large amounts. For in ground plants and vegetables I use it only once per year in the spring. For my potted figs, I apply Plant-tone fertilizer once a month. All the Espoma fertilizers have mycorrhizae now. I purchase Garden-tone and Plant-tone in 40 pound bags for $24.00 at a local nursery.

rcantor

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Posted 1367209951	Reply with quote #8

I use bulb tone for the low nitrogen. 20 lbs for $16 and a handful in a 10 gal pot is all it takes. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

baust55

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Posted 1367210121	Reply with quote #9

cool Bob ... do you buy the bulb tone at a big box store like Home Despot or maybe even WallyWorld ? __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

rcantor

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Posted 1367210653	Reply with quote #10

Mykos30 is much cheaper on Amazon. ebay it's $10 shipping plus $9 for the product. Amazon has it for $13 with free shipping __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

javajunkie

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Posted 1367228647	Reply with quote #11

I bought it on ebay because when you buy multiples it saves. Only $1.50 extra for each for shipping. __________________ Tami SE Texas

baust55

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Posted 1367260003	Reply with quote #12

THRIFTY TAMI __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

bigsmile542

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Posted 1367279934	Reply with quote #13

Yes I use myco inoculant blend, from kelp4less http://www.kelp4less.com/. Kinda like no name brands store for micro. nutrients. Keep this good info going. We can all grow better and stronger . Zone 8 South West TX

Suzy325

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Posted 1367280223	Reply with quote #14

I used this very product today when potting up cuttings, I sprinkled some on the roots and let the rest fall into the planting hole. I've heard great things about this product, I hope my figlets like it. __________________ Sue Belmar, NJ Zone 7a Wish List: Ronde de Bordeaux, Negronne

baust55

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Posted 1367703202	Reply with quote #15

well a week or so ago i followed the instructions on the plant succes site and poked some hole down to the root ball of my young potted figs and dumped a small amount of the granuals to inoculate the roots .. My casuall unscientific observation is that before plants seemed to be kinda droopy when it was windy or when they were a bit dry .. now after the treatment they seem to tolerate this stress better now MORE PERKY I also dusted the roots of a few bare root plants i was planting floweres and such .. ha my magic dust , reading Paul Stamets book MYCELIUM RUNNING How Mushrooms Can Help Save the World . __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

IWannaFig

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Posted 1367704060	Reply with quote #16

@rcantor Have you use the http://www.amazon.com/Xtreme-Gardening-4402-Mykos-2-2-Pound/dp/B003STB5N6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1367703685&sr=8-3&keywords=mycorrhizae It is just the mycorrhizal fungus I think. I was planning on using diluted mg for my fertilizer with every watering. Also, Paul Stamets has several good books. He has done a ton of research on fungus. __________________ Chad 6a close to Columbia MO Wish List: RDB, Wuhan, Marseilles Black VS, Cajun Honey, Petite Negri, Any Lsu strain, vdb, Hardy Chicago, Florea, Nordland Really any tasty fig

newnandawg

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Posted 1367707753	Reply with quote #17

I don't know about Rcantor but there is at least one person on here that does and says it is really good. I purchased some today along with the same brand Azos.

javajunkie

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Posted 1367708123	Reply with quote #18

Yup, Mike is right, I'm one of those people :) __________________ Tami SE Texas

IWannaFig

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Posted 1367708213	Reply with quote #19

Thanks I will be purchasing as well. __________________ Chad 6a close to Columbia MO Wish List: RDB, Wuhan, Marseilles Black VS, Cajun Honey, Petite Negri, Any Lsu strain, vdb, Hardy Chicago, Florea, Nordland Really any tasty fig

baust55

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Posted 1367714113	Reply with quote #20

i would check what types of fungas cultcures are in diffrent products ... some products have cultcures just good for veggies and flowers ..some good for just trees and some have both kinds of cultures .. __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1367782682	Reply with quote #21

I discovered something rather interesting today. I've been applying the mykos and azos to the roots of newly rooted cutting just before planting them in my soil mixture. After a few weeks there is lots of root growth and secondary root growth, but then the root growth stops. I didn't know why. Well, for the last few days I've been trying to acclimate my figs to less humidity by airing them out in the fresh air for longer periods of time. Its very interesting. The azos bacteria is suppose to convert the nitrogen in the atmosphere to a plant usable form. A few days after introducing a higher level of fresh air I started seeing new roots developing and putting on secondary roots quickly. I had drilled holes in the cups to help with moisture control and around those holes is where new white roots are developing next to the older reddish-brown roots. I'm even seeing new roots sprouting out of the exposed part of the cutting that isn't in soil. I don't know if this is just a coincidence, or if the azos and mykos just needed a lot more fresh air to work properly. __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

javajunkie

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Posted 1367786336	Reply with quote #22

I really don't know. Mine never stayed in cups over 2 weeks. When putting them in root riot I up pot directly to 1 gallon, sprinkly them with Sevin powder and put them directly outside in the sun. I have not used the Mykos on anything under 1 gallon only Azos. __________________ Tami SE Texas

baust55

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Posted 1433041680	Reply with quote #23

curious if anyone has new comments of info on theses types of products ? __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

baust55

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hummmmhummm.............. my Plant Success Granular and Saleable are almost gone . time to shop for more miko inoculant . any suggestions . __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

rcantor

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Posted 1433889330	Reply with quote #25

I've never used Mykos or Azos. The 2 fungi that have been shown to help figs are Glomus intraradices and G mosseae. Promix HP has G intraradicies so that's enough for me. I can't find anything that has G. Mosseae except one of Stamets' very pricy concoctions. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

baust55

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Posted 1434833994	Reply with quote #26

I did some reading and bought two packs of Stamets' very pricy concoction . Actually it was cheaper than most of the competitors products because more it is more concentrated/less filler stuff and more different strains ? I will be mixing some of the Stamets' culture with Granular Azomite right before I apply it to roots when repotting. The Granular Azomite is formed with the micronized dust mixed with a little molasses added to form granules . HA HA my own fillers ..this I hope will just make it easer to distribute the cultures to the roots. MY Crazy theory . hummmmm... ! ok I will ad more info soon __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

Dave

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Posted 1434847104	Reply with quote #27

__________________ Connecticut - Zone 6B Wish List - Bordissot negra rimada

EB18702

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Posted 1449596690 · Edited	Reply with quote #28

I saw the "plant success" as well. For my use it looked like a good fertilizer to use with the 3-1-2 ratio we need. my thoughts on Mycorrhiza products. what types does our figs actually use. these are living organisms and without the proper environment they will die. how do you know you are getting an alive product? what is the spore count? most products use cheap spores that are already in abundance. if it was stored in temps extremes there is probably no spores but how would you know if using a product with other benefits. if you are looking for a product try single ingredients from good source. there are a lot of useless products marketed to gardeners. we already have most of the beneficial soil biology living in our yards. it just needs a little tlc to jump start them. I recommend researching Dr Elaine Ingham. video above john is a good guy with many good videos but he is a big pusher of products"rock dust" not needed. you can find real work being done like Elaine. rock dust is a whole other topic I don't want to get into, I say watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVFvMO9-_Ig . this guy does some good research on a lot of these types of products. I know this is a bit off topic but it runs with the idea of you have to be careful you don't become duped into buying something you don't need. a good mycorrhiza product could benefit some people in certain situations, I suggest great white, or mykos look for the spore and type count. even great white uses small amounts of the more expensive spores. also if you can find a specific strain you need that would be more beneficial. fyi if your going to use inorganic fertilizer, heavy phosphate fertilizers, even heavy molasses products you are most likely going to kill your living mycorrhiza and beneficial bacteria and fungi in your soil. my philosophy is keep everything in balance not to much. __________________ Growing: DK, VdB, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Black Mission, Verte, Negronne, Natalina BI, U. Italian Yellow BI , U. Yellow Greek AD, U. South Plainfield, U. Orangeburg U. Carini RG, Rooting: Prosciutto, Naples Dark, Azores Dark, Columbaro Nero, De La Tira, I376, Des Roig Manyo, Greek Church U. Wishlist: ANY PEACH OR PLUM SCION PLEASE PM ME. Smith, any in ground figs for zone 6. Erik zone 6A northeast Pa

raimeiken

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Posted 1449610751	Reply with quote #29

You're on point about the countless products out there that are marketed to us gardeners that aren't needed or some just plain useless. Most of these people or websites that promote them giving them awesome results are the very same people that sell them or possibly sponsored by the company that sells them. People just need to approach these products with some skepticism. Don't be gullible, and do some research yourself before handing over your hard earned money. I would even do some experiment on your own plants to see if these products do indeed give dramatic results before recommending them to other fellow gardeners. In fact, there's quite a few videos you can find on youtube that shows people performing experiments with control subjects. People have been successfully growing plants for years and years without all these quick results / magic dust products. I've been telling people to just keep things simple and use compost, and mulch to bring in organic matter into their soil. Don't complicate things. All these micro-organisms already exist in the soil and air, and compost we put into the soil. __________________ Peoria, AZ 9b

baust55

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Posted 1450057629	Reply with quote #30

Actually Paul Stamets is probably the top mycologists in the world and his products are backed up buy solid science . His many books are fascinating . A reall good book of Dr.Paul Stamets that explanes the symbiotic relationship between plants and fungi is called "Mycelium Running" good read I will be using some of his cultures when I repot my larger trees this wimter . AUSTIN __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

GeneDaniels

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Posted 1450063457	Reply with quote #31

I did some informal research on the tricoderma and endo/ectomycorrhizal fungi spores that are in "Plant Success." My PhD is not in botany, but the science looks sound. I have used a fair amount the past two years (whenever I remember to) and I am pleased with the results. I would recommend it to anyone as an additive when you are potting up or when you first put a tree of any kind in the ground. __________________ Zone 7b (Central Arkansas) Seven trees in the ground: Hardy Chicago, Celeste(?), LSU gold, Italian Black, Southern Brown Turkey(?), Strawberry Verte, and Unk yellow. Trees in pots: VdB, CdD, and Sicilian?

baust55

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Posted 1450112202	Reply with quote #32

Thanks for comments Gene . Have you read any of Paul Stamets Books on Mycology ,in particular "Mycelium Running" ? Mr. Stamets has wrote quite a few text books that are good . "Mycelium Running" is more a book of intrest for laymen . __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

rcantor

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Posted 1450133154 · Edited	Reply with quote #33

Stamets' work is solid but his product is for lots of different plants. The 2 fungi with the best evidence for helping fig trees are Glomus intraradices and Glomus mossea. All the other fungi are wasted. I wouldn't add minerals to the spores as they have as much a chance of inhibiting growth as helping it. Molasses has a lot of iron which can also inhibit fungal growth so use it sparingly if at all. You're better off just following Paul's instructions. If he gives you a certain amount of things to add then do it but don't add more. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

baust55

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Posted 1450155049	Reply with quote #34

thanks for the tips rcantor __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

Esteban_McFig

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Posted 1450229385	Reply with quote #35

Here's a recent readable treatment of the subject, go to: http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/gardening-techniques/mycorrhizal-fungi-zm0z14aszkin.aspx __________________ Stephen A. Phoenix, AZ (Zone 9b) Wish list: Syrian varieties, esp. Abyad, Barada, Hmari, Sefrawi, Sumaki. Ok, well also Moroccan varieties, whichever are best

baust55

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Posted 1450231508	Reply with quote #36

Great article Stephen . There are some good links with in that article also , Thanks __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

drew51

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Posted 1450279218	Reply with quote #37

I like to buy from the source so I know the product is fresh I use this product and found it cheap and effective for container culture. Sure the product contains many fungi we don't need, but it's cheap, and has what we need plus beneficial bacteria that can't hurt. http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/mycogrow-soluble-1-oz.html Now finding cheap fungi for blueberries is another story! I grow them too. This product does not have the right bacteria for blueberries. __________________ Drew Zone 5b/6a Sterling Heights MI

baust55

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Posted 1450286415	Reply with quote #38

THATS what I bought drew thanks for link __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

hoosierbanana

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Posted 1450537250	Reply with quote #39

Bob, which studies have you gotten access too? I would really rather hear the specifics from the author than your opinion. Quote: The 2 fungi with the best evidence for helping fig trees are Glomus intraradices and Glomus mossea. All the other fungi are wasted. __________________ 7a, DE

drew51

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Posted 1450539886 · Edited	Reply with quote #40

For me the other fungi are not wasted I grow at least 50 species of plants and having an all in one product is economical, efficient, and just plain awesome! My only complaint is none contain the right fungi for blueberries. I have to buy a separate product. __________________ Drew Zone 5b/6a Sterling Heights MI

rcantor

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Posted 1450552259 · Edited	Reply with quote #41

Quote: Originally Posted by hoosierbanana Bob, which studies have you gotten access too? I would really rather hear the specifics from the author than your opinion. Quote: The 2 fungi with the best evidence for helping fig trees are Glomus intraradices and Glomus mossea. All the other fungi are wasted. Yeah, I'd like you to read it that way, too but I can't find the link any more and I've done all the searching I have time to do. If you have time to search please post it here so we can all review it. Thanks. And when I said all the other fungi are wasted, I was referring to the other fungi in his product, not all the other fungi in the world. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

rcantor

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Posted 1450552407 · Edited	Reply with quote #42

Quote: Originally Posted by drew51 For me the other fungi are not wasted I grow at least 50 species of plants and having an all in one product is economical, efficient, and just plain awesome! My only complaint is none contain the right fungi for blueberries. I have to buy a separate product. What works better for blueberries? Is it the same for Southern and Northern highbushes? Highbushes & lowbushes (rabbiteye?)? __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

hoosierbanana

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Posted 1450556787 · Edited	Reply with quote #43

There is painfully little research available but that does not mean that the matter is wrapped up. Here is the comment where I shared a couple abstracts with you last year: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1283173588&postcount=26 The first reports that in lab conditions G. mossea, G. etunicatum, G. intraradices, G. macrocarpium, G. caledonium, G. margarita, and G. clarium all increased plant size and uptake of zinc and phosphorus over the control. They name Glomus caledonium and Gigaspora margarita as being the most successful overall. No way to tell how much better any did without buying the article. The second tested Rhizophagus irregularis and Glomus mosseae and found that figs gained as much as 30% over the control when planted in soil infested with Armillaria mellea. It also says growth was improved in non-infested soil but not how much, or if the survival of fig trees was also improved. No luck finding a free copy of that either to learn more... And then I just found this one: http://www.scitechnol.com/impact-of-the-arbuscular-mycorrhizal-fungi-and-bacteria-on-biocontrol-of-white-root-rot-in-fruit-seedlings-wrkB.pdf It is available for free and as luck would have it the study deals with the survival of young plants exposed to white root rot. A good read and very interesting that mycorrhizal fungi and bacteria can amplify plant protection when used together. __________________ 7a, DE

baust55

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Posted 1450653789	Reply with quote #44

interesting info thanks __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

rcantor

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Posted 1453957039	Reply with quote #45

Here's another tidbit: http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/33234/12/12_chapter%202.pdf Osman and Abd El-Rhman (2010) studied the effect of organic and bio N-fertilization on growth, productivity of fig tree (Ficus carica). Applying poultry manure +Azotobacter and poultry manure +Azospirillum gave the highest number of new shoots, shoot length, leaf area, total chlorophyll, number of fruits per shoot, yield, fruit volume and fruit length in the two seasons. Also, the same treatments gave the highest TSS, acidity, total and reducing sugar content and leaf minerals content (N, P, K, Ca and Mg %) in the two seasons. The results clarified that poultry manure + Azotobacter and poultry manure + Azospirillum treatments gained best vegetative growth, productivity and fruit quality __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

Garlic_Mike

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Posted 1454029946	Reply with quote #46

This beneficial fungi is in Sunshine mix #1 with MYC. Available at Agway. Use instead of Pro Mix.

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