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I did some reading and bought two packs of Stamets' very pricy concoction .

Actually it was cheaper than most of the competitors  products because more it is more concentrated/less filler stuff and more different strains ?
I will be mixing  some of the Stamets' culture  with  Granular Azomite  right before I apply it to roots when repotting. The Granular Azomite is formed with the micronized dust mixed with a little molasses added to form granules .   

HA HA my own fillers ..this I hope  will just make it easer to distribute the cultures to the roots.  MY Crazy theory .  hummmmm... !

ok I will ad more info soon

I saw the "plant success" as well. For my use it looked like a good fertilizer to use with the 3-1-2 ratio we need.

my thoughts on Mycorrhiza products. what types does our figs actually use. these are living organisms and without the proper environment they will die. how do you know you are getting an alive product? what is the spore count? most products use cheap spores that are already in abundance. if it was stored in temps extremes there is probably no spores but how would you know if using a product with other benefits. if you are looking for a product try single ingredients from good source. there are a lot of useless products marketed to gardeners. we already have most of the beneficial soil biology living in our yards. it just needs a little tlc to jump start them. I recommend researching Dr Elaine Ingham.

video above john is a good guy with many good videos but he is a big pusher of products"rock dust" not needed. you can find real work being done like Elaine. rock dust is a whole other topic I don't want to get into, I say watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVFvMO9-_Ig . this guy does some good research on a lot of these types of products. I know this is a bit off topic but it runs with the idea of you have to be careful you don't become duped into buying something you don't need. a good mycorrhiza product could benefit some people in certain situations, I suggest great white, or mykos look for the spore and type count. even great white uses small amounts of the more expensive spores.  also if you can find a specific strain you need that would be more beneficial.

fyi if your going to use inorganic fertilizer, heavy phosphate fertilizers, even heavy molasses products you are most likely going to kill your living mycorrhiza and beneficial bacteria and fungi in your soil. my philosophy is keep everything in balance not to much.

You're on point about the countless products out there that are marketed to us gardeners that aren't needed or some just plain useless. Most of these people or websites that promote them giving them awesome results are the very same people that sell them or possibly sponsored by the company that sells them. People just need to approach these products with some skepticism. Don't be gullible, and do some research yourself before handing over your hard earned money. I would even do some experiment on your own plants to see if these products do indeed give dramatic results before recommending them to other fellow gardeners. In fact, there's quite a few videos you can find on youtube that shows people performing experiments with control subjects.

People have been successfully growing plants for years and years without all these quick results / magic dust products. I've been telling people to just keep things simple and use compost, and mulch to bring in organic matter into their soil. Don't complicate things. All these micro-organisms already exist in the soil and air, and compost we put into the soil. 

Actually  Paul  Stamets is probably the top mycologists in the world and his products are backed up buy solid science .

His many books are fascinating .

A reall good book of Dr.Paul  Stamets that explanes  the symbiotic relationship between plants and fungi is called "Mycelium Running"

good  read

I will be using some  of his cultures when I repot my larger trees this wimter .

AUSTIN

I did some informal research on the tricoderma and endo/ectomycorrhizal fungi spores that are in "Plant Success." My PhD is not in botany, but the science looks sound. I have used a fair amount the past two years (whenever I remember to) and I am pleased with the results. I would recommend it to anyone as an additive when you are potting up or when you first put a tree of any kind in the ground.

Thanks for comments Gene  .

Have you read any of Paul  Stamets Books on Mycology ,in particular "Mycelium Running" ?

Mr. Stamets has wrote quite a few text books that are good . "Mycelium Running" is more a book of intrest  for laymen .

Stamets' work is solid but his product is for lots of different plants.  The 2 fungi with the best evidence for helping fig trees are Glomus intraradices and Glomus mossea.  All the other fungi are wasted.  I wouldn't add minerals to the spores as they have as much a chance of inhibiting growth as helping it.  Molasses has a lot of iron which can also inhibit fungal growth so use it sparingly if at all.  You're better off just following Paul's instructions.  If he gives you a certain amount of things to add then do it but don't add more.

thanks for the tips rcantor

Great article Stephen .

There are some good links with in that article also ,

Thanks

I like to buy from the source so I know the product is fresh I use this product and found it cheap and effective for container culture.
Sure the product contains many fungi we don't need, but it's cheap, and has what we need plus beneficial bacteria that can't hurt.
http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/mycogrow-soluble-1-oz.html

Now finding cheap fungi for blueberries is another story! I grow them too. This product does not have the right bacteria for blueberries.

THATS  what I bought drew

thanks for link

Bob, which studies have you gotten access too? I would really rather hear the specifics from the author than your opinion.

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 The 2 fungi with the best evidence for helping fig trees are Glomus intraradices and Glomus mossea.  All the other fungi are wasted.

For me the other fungi are not wasted I grow at least 50 species of plants and having an all in one product is economical, efficient, and just plain awesome! My only complaint is none contain the right fungi for blueberries. I have to buy a separate product.

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Bob, which studies have you gotten access too? I would really rather hear the specifics from the author than your opinion.
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 The 2 fungi with the best evidence for helping fig trees are Glomus intraradices and Glomus mossea.  All the other fungi are wasted.


Yeah, I'd like you to read it that way, too but I can't find the link any more and I've done all the searching I have time to do.  If you have time to search please post it here so we can all review it.  Thanks.

And when I said all the other fungi are wasted, I was referring to the other fungi in his product, not all the other fungi in the world.

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For me the other fungi are not wasted I grow at least 50 species of plants and having an all in one product is economical, efficient, and just plain awesome! My only complaint is none contain the right fungi for blueberries. I have to buy a separate product.


What works better for blueberries?  Is it the same for Southern and Northern highbushes?  Highbushes & lowbushes (rabbiteye?)?

There is painfully little research available but that does not mean that the matter is wrapped up. Here is the comment where I shared a couple abstracts with you last year: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1283173588&postcount=26

The first reports that in lab conditions G. mossea, G. etunicatum, G. intraradices, G. macrocarpium, G. caledonium, G. margarita, and G. clarium all increased plant size and uptake of zinc and phosphorus over the control. They name Glomus caledonium and Gigaspora margarita as being the most successful overall. No way to tell how much better any did without buying the article.

The second tested Rhizophagus irregularis and Glomus mosseae and found that figs gained as much as 30% over the control when planted in soil infested with Armillaria mellea. It also says growth was improved in non-infested soil but not how much, or if the survival of fig trees was also improved. No luck finding a free copy of that either to learn more...

And then I just found this one: http://www.scitechnol.com/impact-of-the-arbuscular-mycorrhizal-fungi-and-bacteria-on-biocontrol-of-white-root-rot-in-fruit-seedlings-wrkB.pdf
It is available for free and as luck would have it the study deals with the survival of young plants exposed to white root rot. A good read and very interesting that mycorrhizal fungi and bacteria can amplify plant protection when used together. 

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interesting info  thanks

Here's another tidbit:    http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/33234/12/12_chapter%202.pdf

Osman and Abd El-Rhman (2010) studied the effect of organic and bio N-fertilization on growth, productivity of fig tree (Ficus carica). Applying poultry manure +Azotobacter and poultry manure +Azospirillum gave the highest number of new shoots, shoot length, leaf area, total chlorophyll, number of fruits per shoot, yield, fruit volume and fruit length in the two seasons. Also, the same treatments gave the highest TSS, acidity, total and reducing sugar content and leaf minerals content (N, P, K, Ca and Mg %) in the two seasons. The results clarified that  poultry manure + Azotobacter and poultry manure + Azospirillum treatments gained best vegetative growth, productivity and fruit quality

This beneficial fungi is in Sunshine mix #1 with MYC. Available at Agway. Use instead of Pro Mix.

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