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Natalina

Ok so I finally found some info on the Natalina fig and it does not look like the Grimo variety I have seen. Anyone have pics of the Grimo Natalina??


Fico "di Natale"
Synonyms: "Invernale”, “Natalina”
With this name and also with their synonyms are also shown in different varieties, united by their extremely late ripening fruit. This is because of maturity ranging from early November to mid-December and beyond, depending on the season with sicone attached to the bare branches. One cultivated in our collection is Unifer, white, with red pulp and peel very tough and gritty, good in years of poor rains.

Con questo nome e anche con i rispettivi sinonimi vengono indicate anche varietà diverse, accomunate dalla maturazione estremamente tardiva dei frutti. Si tratta infatti di maturazioni che vanno dai primi di novembre alla metà di dicembre e oltre a seconda delle stagioni con siconi attaccati ai rami spogli. Quella coltivata nella nostra collezione è unìfera, bianca, con buccia molto coriacea e polpa rossa e granulosa; ottima nelle annate povere di piogge.

 Also Found this pic on http://www.ficuscarica.com Definately a white fig

I have the one from Grimo, 3 yrs old (?), hasn't fruited yet.

I remember I seen pics before on gardenweb I think but they were dark figs, it appears Natalina is a white fig in Italy.

Ciao Nelson, just to clarify as I know this variety well. I have my own family natalina Natale figs here in Pa collected from Orchards in It.  The Natale or Natalina word is applied to different Italian varieties because of the Lateness of the ripening.  They are not all this green or white looking, trust me. If you have a Natalina, then this is a late ripening Italian fig.  I have seen more than one labeled Natalina in Italy one the same as the above pics and also a darker kind.  The one Grimo may sell is the darker form of the late ripening Italian fig called Natalina just to mark the lateness, markeddly Christmas"Natale" .   I hope this helps you.
Ciao,
P.S. I have no stalk in Grimo so I'm not defending what they sell, just know a little about this issue. Ciao

Thanks Maggie I did find that in the ficuscarica website there was two different figs one was Natalina other was Natalino seems to be two different cultivars. But you know how it is in the old country from area to area different names for the same fig or vice versa.

I have a Natalina from Grimo and its fruit is similar to Hardy Chicago but more fruity and a little larger.
I also have a Natalina that I was told was from Italy that appears to have very late ripening fruit, with a different shape. The tree is probably 4 years old, but 09 was my first year with it.  The fruit didn't even come close to ripening whereas the Grimo Nut form was full of edible fruit and probably 2-3 years old.

Nas



I agree with nas33. My two years old Natalina from Grimo looks dark  like Hardy Chicago and ripened approx the same time as the Hardy Chicago.
Grimo Natalina is not a late ripening one. It ripens not much later than Marseilles VS Black, Chicago Hardy, Sal and Celeste in my location. I consider this one a keeper for me along with the other four mentioned. I consider them as a group of five that ripened figs for me this last summer in the 3nd summer of their lives.

Thanks Nas & Akram Dusan AKA radovan also has a Natalina from Grimo and said it was a very good producer for him. I hope in 2-3 years time I too will be eating some Natalina figs.

Doing some research on this fig and came across this pasage from Condit's "Fig Varieties: A Monograph":

"Arneo Bianco (syns. Verneo Bianco, Inverneo, Invernale, Invernengo, Invernizzo, Natalino, Tardo). Described and illustrated by Vallese (1909) as an unusually late fig, continuing to mature into October or even December in favorable seasons; also described by Pellicano (1907), Guglielmi (1908), Portale (1910), and De Rosa (1911).

 

Tree large. Leaves generally 5-lobed. Figs medium, obovate; stalk very short; neck absent; skin pale yellow, with scattered white flecks; eye scales intensely rose-colored; pulp red. Consumed fresh.

 

Here is another variety with a Natalino synonym listed by Condit:

"Vernino (syns. Natalino Nero, Pasquale, Camaldolese, Della Cava, Tre Volte l’Anno, Verneo Nero, Arneo Nero, Allison). Described by Gasparrini (1845), Savastano (1885), Eisen (1888, 1901), Vallese (1909), De Rosa (1911), and Condit (1947). Leaves and fruit figured by Vallese, who treated Arneo Nero and Verneo Nero as distinct kinds; De Rosa described the two as synonymous. In his account of 1845, Gasparrini listed this variety as Vernino, but added that some called it Natalino, or Christmas fig; others called it Pasquale, since the fruits sometimes remained on the tree during the winter and matured near Pasqua, or Easter. The name Tre Volte l’Anno refers to the tendency of Vernino to produce fruit at various times of the year. Trees usually produce a second crop only, late in the season."
 
"Vernino in the collection at Riverside, California. The following description is from a single tree, fruiting at Riverside since 1933. Leaves medium, 3- to 5-lobed; upper sinuses shallow and narrow, lower sinuses very shallow, basal sinuses broad; base commonly truncate or subcordate; margins coarsely serrate; surface dull. Terminal buds of branches tawny.
 
Breba crop none. Second-crop figs small to medium, up to 1-1/2 inches in length and 1-5/8 inches in diameter, oblate-spherical to pyriform, with short, thick neck; average weight 28 grams; stalk short; ribs very slightly elevated, narrow; eye medium, slightly protruding, commonly surrounded by a zone of color lighter than that of the body; eye scales of green figs prominently pink, becoming violet at maturity; white flecks large and conspicuous; surface glossy, with pruinose bloom; skin tough or rubbery in texture; color purplish black on body, greenish toward the base; meat thin, white; pulp solid, strawberry in color (darker when caprified); flavor fairly rich; quality only fair.

Season late. A small fig, of no particular value. (Plate 28, C.)"

Reminds me of Napolitana Blanca, maybe the eye is different.  http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1267129468&postcount=37

My natalina from grimo had some breba on it this year.
Sadly they all dropped. and still sadder there is no sign of any main crop at all.
maybe next year.

Grant
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Grant my Natalina too acted the same way as yours I only had 3 breba but they too droped no signs of main crop yet either.

Jason,

Aside from the fruit, how do the tree/leaf characteristics compare to the Arneo Bianco in post #9?

When you click on my last link scroll to the thread link at the top and click through. I have pics if the Hobart mother tree there. It looks like napolitana blanca. NOr certain yet if it is.

Is this considered the sam as Bass' Naples White on his site?

Courtesy of Trees of Joy site:






Dominick,

Are you asking if the Grimo Natalina is a synonym of Bass' Naples White?

Probably more about Jason's post. The translation is pretty literal. Based on the Natalina shown and the pics on Bass' site, I would say possible but not likely. Plus the Naples white ripens a bit earlier since from all indications Natalina ripens later, hence the name.

For me up North, My only shot with that fig is a greenhouse to finish ripening.

I see. I see very little resemblance between Jason's Unknown Hobart and the Naples White pic from TOJ.

Natalina from Grimonut is the Dark Natalina like the one on this site. http://ficuscarica.com/carica/natalina.html  just point mouse over the camera to see the fig.

@Ruben, I have a Vernino but still small. Had two, just gave one to a fig friend. Anyway, supposed to be a very dark fig. All the figs I see in this thread are green with red flesh. I don't see how they can be related, so I'm curious if I am missing something (I'm a little slow lately so it is possible).

Jason,

As Italiangirl said in post #4, Natalino/a is just a description of the time of season in which it ripens. A generic term. The actual names should be along the lines of what Condit listed (posts 9 and 10). He listed two varietals with the synonym of "Natalino". One dark, one light. Yours sounds like the dark if the other descriptors match too.

Nelson, go4broke, you are correct. I have the dark Natalina, ripens somewhat earlier in USA, as compared to neglected Nataline in Italy. Common more in the Salento of Puglia region where is very arid and rocky and dry where Prickly pear and Fig trees a rule the landscape. Ciao

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