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Native de Argentile 2014

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  • JD

Native de Argentile was shockingly good. It was a 2011 UC Davis cutting that was cut into thirds and each third rooted. If not for two unsuccessful attempts to ship it a place that it could not be shipped and should not be shipped (according to the authorities), I would not have cared for this last cutting/tree as well as I have.

It has an incredible layered tropical flavor which means that it is not berry but comparable to a blend of fresh tropical juices and yes it is juicy with each fig having a honey drip from the eye. The initial taste is surprising because it is (like the early years Carlos Santana) uncommon. Then there are additional flavors that I was unable to describe. The three of us had two each and we each had the same Wow! look in our eyes. I almost forgot about the nuttiness from the crunch. A good fig here in 8B.

Native de Argentile, you are moving on up to a deluxe 30 gallon pot.

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Mmm, tropical flavors! Sounds very different and worth growing. Keep the great reviews coming JD.

Mike in Hanover, VA

Super!
Mine was very good too!

OH MY!  I have a cutting that has popped up from the earth from this years UC Davis order, and it's far surpassed the others in growth!  Even after a critter bit it to the ground!  It's protected now, and I can't wait till it gets some figs!  It's got 5 leaves compared to the two of the rest.

Love your description!

Suzi

That looks very yummy. She deserves the deluxe 30-gallon upgrade for sure.

Why has NdA gotten such noncommital earlier reviews?--I remember Jason and Martin being unenthusiastic about this fig in 2011.  Now, there's so much ooh-ing and ah-ing.

Shah, a lot depends on the climate and care of any particular fig.  I like to go to the UC Davis site, and choose figs from other countries that are native to the climate in which I dwell.  Also, this was a 2011 acquisition.  The tree is 3 years old.  It's not even yet in it's prime!

Mine is a baby.  It suffered a critter bite, and I thought it was gone, but there are roots in the earth, and it's growing like the weed it is.  I have now protected it from those rabbits and voles with a cage.  But it shows me that it is vigorous and happy in this climate.  It is in ground outside.  It will be moved when it goes dormant out of the nursery and into life.  I will say this post has motivated me to give it extra care for sure!

Suzi

I am very pleased this variety is good, nice photos.

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  • JD

shah8,
Why were Jason and Martin noncommittal in their 2011 reviews? I don't know. Was your question rhetorical? 

I offer the following for your consideration:

  • In 2011, I believe that Jason had an immature NdA and it produced a less than desirable first fig. Like most figs, I think his tree would be [much] better 3+ years later.
  • I did not post about NdA last season although I could have. What Martin and Jason wrote, however, gave me reason to wait another season before I posted about it.
  • I did wait and you have read what I wrote.
My response is not meant to be critical of your question nor defensive in response to it but to be clear in my answer. This post (and others) is strictly about learning and sharing information through my senses and sensibilities. Therefore, what I have written does not address what people are saying but it directly speaks what I am saying.

Although observational, I am intentional in that I consciously sample different figs at once instead of many of the same type at once. The approach helps me determine and distinguish characteristics that are important to me: acidity, sweetness, flavor, texture/crunch.

Concerning flavor, NdA was exemplary, unique and consistent like none other this season or last. Prior to the figs this morning, maybe 7-8 figs did not make it indoors and that same amount were consumed by the birds who attacked the protective plastic clam shells. I was shocked at how good the figs were. I wish Camuna Small Black were producing figs because it is the only other fig that I have tasted with a flavor profile as different as this one.

Just placed an order for cuttings. If I can get figs as delicious as yours look, I will be a happy camper indeed. Thank-you for the photos and review Mr. JD.









Regards,
billy

Well, it wasn't rhetorical, so much as I was sort of wondering whether there have been changes in the philosophy of fig care or something.  I believe Dennis really liked them at the Wolfskill orchard at the time, but I think that was really kind of the only really positive review from around that time, so I had always had that variety as part of just another fig.  Today, there are more people enthusiastic about how this fig tastes, I wasn't just talking about JD's review.  Although, I have to say, were I just another fig hunter with lots of land to plant lots of figs, I'd probably still be dubious, because all decent fig (especially if not large) have their day in the sun, given enough a fortuitous series of event.  BM and Smith and the like have their value because for the most part, things don't have to be too too perfect to get great fruit all the time, as opposed to Atreano or California Brown Turkey.  Special different flavor would almost have to be Kid's Orange Red special just so, otherwise, you'd be chasing fig after fig after fig, and still wind up having to cull.

Shah, I suppose your arguments are the reason so many of us justify getting so many varieties to test out in each of our yards.  A fig may do well in one location (soil, sun, heat, etc) but a couple hundred miles away not do so well.  And then there's year to year variation in a given location to take into account.  So hearing reports on how well figs do in other forum member's yards is immensely valuable but to find out how a variety does where you live in the end requires testing.  You make a good point that some fig varieties (like VdB) seem to do well almost anywhere, and any given year, while others are more hit and miss.  Anyway, thanks JD for your informative posts!

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shah8,
I see your perspective. Thanks for the follow up.

I searched this forum and Garden Web and there are an order of magnitude more posts about struggles with tree growth than there are descriptions of the fruit. Concerning fig care philosophy, I believe it is "better now" than it was four years ago. I believe that Tapla's Soil Management thread (and Dan_La philosophical discussions with him) educated many and made folks think about care more than they may have ever considered in the past. I also believe it is incrementally "better" now than it was in 2011.

Finally, I waited almost two years before posting about NdA. Akram and then Martin were the first to mark NdA for me. I'll say it again, in the special flavor category, I would present two figs for taste testing: 1) NdA and 2) Camuna Small Black. I appreciate your skepticism and I also accept your proposition that it is just another fig. Time will tell.

The measure of good anywhere is interesting. Here's why: Consider your example of BM and Smith, Smith takes several years to produce but when it does, it produces OUTSTANDING figs. I have yet to read reports of successful Black Madeira harvests in the South. I have both potted and grounded BMs with no success. So for me in 8B, BM is a cull/new home candidate. Like Smith but without the fanfare, NdA has taken several years to produce and it has produced fruits of superior taste (I think) to other fig trees that I am growing and have sampled fruit.

I am interested in learning more about your fig hunting.

Well now I feel really bad.  I managed to kill my NdA and have not gotten around to replacing it yet.

Great review. Thanks for it.

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  • Sas

This fig looks great.

I am only posting cuz mine went dormant, but this one makes me drool.  It's coming out of dormancy (bummer... wanted to put it in a big pot first), but gonna still pot it up for a year.  After that, it will go in ground.  Might do an air layer for back up.  gophers, ya know?

I think it's a prolific producer and an aggressive grower.  Needs space.

Suzi

Yes, it was one the best figs I tried last year. I wouldn’t say it is an aggressive grower but it is quite a prolific producer.

Greenfig, really?  Mine seems to be an aggressive grower, but it's a baby.  Started from a UC Davis cutting last year.  It seems to be a big grower.  I'll pot it up for a year, and figure out where to put it in ground.  There is one more aggressive grower.  You won't know it, but a member here sent me cuttings, and I have two really big aggressive baby trees named Norman's Yellow.

Suzi

It hasn't grown very vigorously for me but branches are thick and strong.  Look forward to fruit this year if I can keep the birds away.

Great! Now I have 2 more figs move to larger pots. :-)

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  • JD

Suzi,
I concur. NdA is special here as well.

NdA is an excellent fig.  The figs are beautiful.  They taste amazing too.  Jon and I made a visit to UCD last August (2014) again and I gorged myself with them again!

Suzi, have you tried Zidi?  I wish everyone could taste Zidi.  Man what a fig!  That is one fig ---I would have if I lived in California!  It's a complete fig!  Huge in size....very sweet....very rich.  Too bad it requires pollination.

Dennis, I pretty much doubt we have the fig wasp here in my isolated climate.  I have only been able to find one fig tree in this entire area, and it's in someone's back yard.  I think I'm the only one on this mountain with figs! 

I never tried Zidi.  Maybe one day I'll get some UC Davis cuttings and try it and see if we have the wasp.  Got bees coming out our ears!  The whole mountain buzzes!

Gonna stay happy and look forward to my first taste of NdA.

Suzi

Suzi, even if you don't have the wasp yet, you can get it there eventually, though a pretty good sized potted tree or airlayer is probably the best way to do it.  Zidi is great like Dennis says, I am starting several more for myself now.  If I do farmer market fruit sales i might want 50 trees of it.  Your other fruits would taste even better with caprification.

Suzi, meet Zidi! :)
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