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Need help before to late, for people in the nort east

Luís, 

They are a good source for material and the trees are cheap. So you or your mother can take cuttings and ship them to graft later or try to ship the pruned tree in dormancy in the winter.


Drew,
From what i've read only the Pluots made a significative breakthrough in terms of taste. I have some and i am quite curious, but they didn't produce fruit yet.

Regarding the other hybrids, i think there is a lot of marketing going on, but i will keep an eye on the one's you mentioned, in case they appear over here , so i can try them for myself. Thanks.

Jaime,
What is the name of the peach in the first two pics? That's my kind of peach.

I agree with you about the marketing hype regarding the Zaiger varieties. Many 
of them are almost clones of one another, offering very little difference between
them, and the vast majority of them aren't as good as the old varieties that we 
grow here in the USA. 

Hi Ray,

I couldn't say the name of the variety. It was one of two surviving trees from my father in law old orchard. They probably were 40+ years old trees and on their last legs when i saw them, but the peaches were still outstanding. I made a point of grafting those 2 surviving varieties and now they are among the best in my orchard, along with a famous portuguese heirloom peach that is being cultivated again due to her quality (Pêssego de Alcobaça).
Here's some text (google translated on that peach)
Pêssego de Alcobaça.JPG

The others peaches are probably also old varieties from that region (well known in the past for the quality of is fruits). In the area where i have my orchard, most of the fruit varieties that were cultivated a few decades ago came from that region.

I'm still trying to identify them and to that effect, i've bought several heirloom peaches from those 2 nurseries that i listed above to compare, but no luck, until now.
One of those nurseries (Castromil) even has a photographic catalog but i can't find them there: http://www.vcastromil.pt/catalogos/fruteiras.pdf

Regarding the hybrids. We know it mostly marketing but it's inevitable the curiosity and wanting to try them in our zones. When fruits are concerned we really don't want to miss a really good one...


  


Thoroughly disgusted after reading this post. Why would any of you poison the fruits you are growing? Did it slip your mind to maybe improve the growing conditions of your plants to improve their health and immunity from insects and pests prior to destroying your local environment? No, because that forces you to face the fact that you dont know what you are doing, and levels your lame, bloated egos. Why would anyone grow their own fruit to make it even more toxic than the already crap, mealy, underripe, POISONED commercial stuff? Doesnt that entirely defeat the purpose? Did you fail to notice the "disease resistant" varieties on Stark bros IF you know you arent an experienced enough grower to properly set up a successful peach grow? Why are all of you people espousing poisons? DONT FOLLOW what commercial growers do, those $cumbags are ruining the health of the country and world.

As much good as these boards are, when I see imbeciles espousing HORRIBLE practices that defeat the very purpose of what is being done here while espousing blatant biological ignorance in context of biological happenings, I cannot see any merit, value, or worth, and the lid must be blown. STOP USING POISONS AND LEARN HOW TO GROW PROPERLY. feeding is more important than medicating a sick animal or person. chemotherapy has a 97% human death rate after 5 years for a reason; poisoning your way out of a biological problem NEVER WORKS unless you want to reduce all life, including your own. Darwin always wins...

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Originally Posted by Gerard1
Thoroughly disgusted after reading this post. Why would any of you poison the fruits you are growing? Did it slip your mind to maybe improve the growing conditions of your plants to improve their health and immunity from insects and pests prior to destroying your local environment? No, because that forces you to face the fact that you dont know what you are doing, and levels your lame, bloated egos. Why would anyone grow their own fruit to make it even more toxic than the already crap, mealy, underripe, POISONED commercial stuff? Doesnt that entirely defeat the purpose? Did you fail to notice the "disease resistant" varieties on Stark bros IF you know you arent an experienced enough grower to properly set up a successful peach grow? Why are all of you people espousing poisons? DONT FOLLOW what commercial growers do, those $cumbags are ruining the health of the country and world.

As much good as these boards are, when I see imbeciles espousing HORRIBLE practices that defeat the very purpose of what is being done here while espousing blatant biological ignorance in context of biological happenings, I cannot see any merit, value, or worth, and the lid must be blown. STOP USING POISONS AND LEARN HOW TO GROW PROPERLY. feeding is more important than medicating a sick animal or person. chemotherapy has a 97% human death rate after 5 years for a reason; poisoning your way out of a biological problem NEVER WORKS unless you want to reduce all life, including your own. Darwin always wins...


Don't know what crawled up your a$$, but disease wasn't the issue, never was, I've tried organic means year after year to no avail, I lose 100% of all fruit to a boring insect that lays a maggot in every piece of fruit, the funny thing is usda organic allows 2 sprays of real harsh chemicals per season and still allows it to be considered organic, there isn't a organic product out there that works on these things, chili peppers ain't cutting it, so if I need to spray agent orange on my crop that is my business not yours, u show me a white peach that is immune to said insects and I replace them all, I won't hold my breath thou, thanks for your concern, I'll make sure to check back with you every time I need to discuss my spraying regime! Or what you allow me to grow! I'll be out there today decimating the little buggers! Oh wait am I allowed to! Oh yeah I am :)

Organic does not mean safe, never has, never will. I do think one should try to use the least toxic substances as possible, and the OP has tried. I only heard of one fruit tree orchard that grows peaches organically in the Northeast. When they do get a harvest it is 10%. And these chemicals in my opinion are safe. They have a very short half life. I feel they are as dangerous as using artificial deodorant. No matter where you are you run into ignorant people. Self righteous smartest person in the room type. These people have ruined our country and pretty much the rest of the world. The OP understands that organic peaches cannot be done in NJ. Some people talk the talk, but never have walked the walk, if they did, they would not be self righteous, they would be humble.

  • WL

Drew,

I really appreciate the information you provided I am starting a home orchard and will ne planting, apples, plums, peaches, pears and figs. Tnanks again.

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Originally Posted by drew51
Organic does not mean safe, never has, never will. I do think one should try to use the least toxic substances as possible, and the OP has tried. I only heard of one fruit tree orchard that grows peaches organically in the Northeast. When they do get a harvest it is 10%. And these chemicals in my opinion are safe. They have a very short half life. I feel they are as dangerous as using artificial deodorant. No matter where you are you run into ignorant people. Self righteous smartest person in the room type. These people have ruined our country and pretty much the rest of the world. The OP understands that organic peaches cannot be done in NJ. Some people talk the talk, but never have walked the walk, if they did, they would not be self righteous, they would be humble.


NEver ran into one of these on the boards Drew! Like a peach nazi or something, he or she, I shouldn't assume the gender here, would make a great ANTIFA leader, against us fascist grower who just want to eat a homegrown peach!
Lol
Let's have a little fun!

Did you notice the person has made only 4 posts and everyone he yells at people, implies they are stupid. Acts superior, is not humble or even friendly. We really don't need hateful people here.  He even used all caps to denote he was yelling at one point, wow! I would suggest he seek professional help. If he truly wishes to promote organic growing, he needs to stop what he is doing. As he is giving the impression that he is crazy and that reflects poorly on organic farming. Sir, you are hurting the cause, not helping. I try to grow many fruits that are local and disease resistant. many of my fruits and veggies are grown organically I'm all in favor of it, when possible. I think newbies should stick with easy to grow, easy to stay organic fruits. Proven winners in your area. Once you become more experienced and more knowledgeable, you can attempt the harder fruits. Organically growing food is wonderful, but you have to understand it's not possible in all cases. One reason I went to figs. I have used copper once on them to try and stop fig leaf rust. I have seen you can even have problems with figs like root knot nematodes. Overall though it's possible to grow them without chemicals organic or not.

Thanks WL, good luck! Have fun!

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Originally Posted by drew51
Did you notice the person has made only 4 posts and everyone he yells at people, implies they are stupid. Acts superior, is not humble or even friendly. We really don't need hateful people here.  He even used all caps to denote he was yelling at one point, wow! I would suggest he seek professional help. If he truly wishes to promote organic growing, he needs to stop what he is doing. As he is giving the impression that he is crazy and that reflects poorly on organic farming. Sir, you are hurting the cause, not helping. I try to grow many fruits that are local and disease resistant. many of my fruits and veggies are grown organically I'm all in favor of it, when possible. I think newbies should stick with easy to grow, easy to stay organic fruits. Proven winners in your area. Once you become more experienced and more knowledgeable, you can attempt the harder fruits. Organically growing food is wonderful, but you have to understand it's not possible in all cases. One reason I went to figs. I have used copper once on them to try and stop fig leaf rust. I have seen you can even have problems with figs like root knot nematodes. Overall though it's possible to grow them without chemicals organic or not.

Thanks WL, good luck! Have fun!


Jeez! You're right very angry guy! it's kinda funny knowing how insanely mad we are getting him over bonide and captan! Lol really priceless IMO, maybe we should start a thread , to get this guy either laid, or maybe he just needs a hug! Either way I'm eating peaches this year so thanks again Drew really appreciate your time spent helping me, one more ? How often do you fertilize your figs, I'm using miracle grow all purpose every other week and on off weeks I use fish fertilizer every other week, is that ok or to much fish stuff is 5:1:1 that are In pots and I mix as directed for outside use
Thanks

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Originally Posted by No, because that forces you to face the fact that you dont know what you are doing, and levels your lame, bloated egos.[/QUOTE

Good Lord you are inflated to the bone. Infatuated with the I know it all and you are all morons.
Why not just just give your  opinion  decently without badly provoking honest people?
They did not treat you like you are some weird specimen.
It's a very nice forum full of nice help willing people please dont stir the dust.
Best possible wishes

I see I hurt a lot of weak egos by slapping you in the face with basic logic reorganized in a manner that is intellectually threatening to you. Great. After having read every single recent post, it is nothing but bad cultivation and terrible advice. Half the posts were extremely ignorant hodge podges of bad info on myco. If you are using toxins on your peaches, the you are defeating the purpose and destroying the environment, and have no value on message boards perused by the gullible and ignorant public. If you have nothing but flies, it really never occurred to you to use a netting? Either way you should be seeking BETTER solutions, not deigning to the first obvious, stupid, and highly advertised option exists that is commonly pursued by foresightless morons at large. If what I say offends you, then there is truth stinging you from the core. I care more about the environment, humanity's future, and the future of agri than ANY single one of your weak little egos....

Now that was funny! Thank you for reaffirming everything I said.

@Jsavkov the fertilizer is fine, but I might cut it down to half a dose on that schedule. I feed mine well too. I used Dynamite controlled release and once a month hit them with whatever organic I have on hand. Currently it's Tomato-Tone. It's worked well for me. Dynamite has a 9 month rating where osmocote is 6 months. usually these only last half of their rating. But 4.5 months is pretty much the whole season.
No reason for you to change though, that should work good. If you feel growth is not adequate, go back to full dose.

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Originally Posted by Gerard1
I see I hurt a lot of weak egos by slapping you in the face with basic logic reorganized in a manner that is intellectually threatening to you. Great. After having read every single recent post, it is nothing but bad cultivation and terrible advice. Half the posts were extremely ignorant hodge podges of bad info on myco. If you are using toxins on your peaches, the you are defeating the purpose and destroying the environment, and have no value on message boards perused by the gullible and ignorant public. If you have nothing but flies, it really never occurred to you to use a netting? Either way you should be seeking BETTER solutions, not deigning to the first obvious, stupid, and highly advertised option exists that is commonly pursued by foresightless morons at large. If what I say offends you, then there is truth stinging you from the core. I care more about the environment, humanity's future, and the future of agri than ANY single one of your weak little egos....


Wow! I really mean WOW! You are truly butt hurt dude! I didn't notice one "hurt" ego on any of these post???? Are u following the same thread as everyone else??? Let's keep this going I'm pretty sure this is what you'd call a organic tree troll! Trolling the fig forum lol this is awesome! If the environment has to suffer so I can eat a peach! Let it suffer I'm all for it! I get peaches and the local fauna gets cancer! Yeah win win for me! Can't wait to see a few squirrels with malignant tumors running around! So I can tell my 2 year old look honey daddy did that! Lol