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Brand New Member.  My Grandmother in San Antonio used to love her fig tree and would fuss over it endlessly as well as her pomegranite and agarita.  I did not like figs then.  I now live in Nashville, and when I first moved here was very interested in growing fruit, joined NAFEX 30 years ago, but found out that I had too much shade, and too many squirrels to get much fruit - so pretty much gave it up save for 4 or 5 micro dwarf apples I grafted. and 30 years later still only 6 to 7 foot tall.  A a few years ago, I was driving by a building in Nashville (a building owned by the Methodist Church where the Upper Room is) and noticed a familiar leaf.  It was a mature fig tree bearing fruit as it was in late summer early fall.  Picked a few and boy they were good.  Brought some home to wife and she liked very much also.  Since found a few more trees around and have gotten sorta hooked on them and decided to grow some myself.  Bought one tree from Home Depot, but did not plant it for 3 years and had gotten root bound.  Tag is gone so don't know variety.  But has not borne a fig yet and does die back every year and is very late to emerge.  Bought another one - labeled a celeste, stuck it in ground 2 years ago, is doing well, but bore some figs last year but birds or squirrels got before ripening.  Also have some cuttings I rooted last year in pots - not very well protected, so curious if they have survived the winter.  My project is to increase the number of my trees so that even if I have an invasion of squirrels, I will have at least a few figs left for my consumption.  Does anyone have any cuttings left of hardy figs that I could buy.  Possibles are Alma, Conardia, Excel, Galbun (sp??), Hardy Chicago, Sal's Fig, and any others that may do well.  Also would like to have some that do particularly well in pots.  Have not done the pots as I don't have a place to protect them in the winter, but will build something at least temporary the coming 2011 winter.

"If you build it they will come." I have to believe that birds, and esp. squirrels can multiply fast enough to handle any amount of fig trees you have. You're going to have to work on some form of control.

Welcome!

I can help you with the Alma and a Brunswick (if you are interested). Send a PM with your mailing address and I will get some cuttings to you. Have a great day!

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Originally Posted by pitangadiego
"If you build it they will come." I have to believe that birds, and esp. squirrels can multiply fast enough to handle any amount of fig trees you have. You're going to have to work on some form of control.


Well I do have a few recipes for squirrel and I did buy a high powered air rifle (silent - for city use), but my wife is a softy and frowned upon the idea!  So what is a good deterrent?  I tried nets and all sorts of "home remedies" including feeding stray cats so they stuck around.  Did not see many snakes, lizards and chipmunks, but didn't faze the squirrels!  I'm within the City Limits - so drastic actions are not available.  And my squirrels are some "bad boys".  In 2009 I was given some Bhut Jolokia pepper plants.  Was growing them in a pot on the deck.  Had over a dozen of the peppers on the two plants.  There were getting pretty good size and were probably within a week or two of harvest (did not know what I was going to do with them when I harvested them), when one morning I looked out the kitchen window and the peppers were gone.  A few weeks later some more peppers set and were at the same stage and "poof!" they were gone also.  Now how they survived them things I have no idea.  I expected to see at least one of the critters laying in the bird bath trying to cool it all down!  After that incident, I have more respect for those bushy tailed rodents. 

There is no such thing as a "deterrent" when talking about tree rats.  It doesn't exist.  There is nothing you can do except kill them.  Trust me, I've been fighting them for years and I've tried every deterrent know to mankind.  Killing them is the only way.  I suggest water tank traps that will drown them, it's much easier than poison.  Peanut butter sandwiches for bait are your friend.

SILENT air rifle is the key, wife will never know... ;-)
Sue

lol. i like your style, Sue

Peanut butter in a cage will put an end to your suffering.

Caneyscud,

Like Sue said. What your wife don't know won't hurt her.
Take care of that little rodent and make an example out of him.


Give your wife $20 and send her to the Mall. Then you can work on the squirrels.

A 12 gauge shotgun works every time!!!!!

ONLY $20, Jon?  I'm sure that must have been a typo and you meant, $200?

;)

noss

Well I put out my squirrel bait station made with 4" PVC a couple days ago...poured in 5 lbs of County Agriculture bait which doesn't have a secondary kill effect. Checked it tonight and it's all gone. Hope they are too...but I know it's a never ending fight. Round 1 - Sue!

Sue - interested in more info if you wouldn't mind to PM me. 

I'm interested in this as well Sue. Why not post some more info/pics about it here? I'm interested in the trap set-up but the no-secondary-kill bait sounds even more important to me.

That type bait would mean your pets wouldn't die from eating the dead or dying critters. Also means that other predators wouldn't croak from eating them either.

I've heard of snakes dying from eating rodents that had consumed rat poison. Contrary to popular opinion, snakes are your friends when it comes to rodent control. The enemy of your enemy is your friend. 

Now that all ya'll (that's plural for you northern folk) have solved my squirrel problem.  Any ideas about moles?  

The 12 guage route gets kinda expensive.  All the neighbors' windows I'd have to replace.  But I am interested in Sue's bait station also. 

Ok, well, in the interim, I found my squirrel solution for a just over $30 last week ..... http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/cf2ebe84-16ab-48bd-8dd1-d2801dbd511e/remington-airmaster-77-177-air-rifle-kit-incl-scope-99-shipping#33

I went ahead and bought a new one.  We'll see how that goes.

Jon told me how to build these bait stations and about the AG bait a couple years ago. This link shows the bait station I made using 4" PVC:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vEdm6u2q5fs/TU9TnL02Z9I/AAAAAAAAAGo/-N8cI6Whkf0/s1600/P1060017.JPG

I have it staked because the hill is pretty steep and I didn't want to scare them off if it slipped down the hill.

Bait Station:

One 10-foot x 4" PVC pipe
One T-connector for 4" pipe
One 4" screw cap

Cut a 10-foot lenght of 4" pipe into two 4-foot lengths with a 2-foot remainder.

Stick the two 4-foot lengths into the T-connector at opposite ends. Put the 2-foot length into the third opening at the top. Pour the bait into the 2-foot opening and cover with the screw cap. No glue needed. Lay it on the ground in an infested area. Check it for bait every couple days. Refill as needed.

Squirrels, mice, rats can get in and eat the poison grain at the center of the tube but larger criters and birds can't.

If I remember correctly, the AG bait is one that keeps the blood from coagulating therefore they bleed to death. Once the anti-coagulant is in the blood stream it is inert to those that may feed on the carcus including birds and pets. The AG guy said there maybe some after effect, sickness, if the stomach is eaten and the grain hasn't been digested but the stomach is rarely eaten and if it is, not enough poison is left to kill. Once digested, there is no secondary kill effect. It does have an antidote, vitamin K1!

Any questions, email me...

Sue


Sue,

What does AG stand for and where does one get it?  I have a squirrel I'd like to treat to a dose, poor little thing.

I only know of the warfarin anticoagulant bait that drives the animal to seek water and when it does, it hemorrhages and dies, but I never heard of one that is not lethal after it gets into the bloodstream.  We treated so many dogs and cats that ate dead animals that were poisoned by bait like that and they were hemorrhaging from eyes, mouths, etc. and if they aren't helped in time, they will die the same way.  They also can go into a condition called DIC, (Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation) where the blood clotting mechanisms go haywire and blood clots where it shouldn't and doesn't where it should and it's sayonara to the dog, or cat if that happens.  The Vit K1 is not foolproof.  If there is a poison that will be inactivated after entering the bloodstream of the pest that would be good.

noss

Noss,

AG is the County Agriculture Department. In my case, San Diego County AG Dept.

I don't know what the anticoagulant they use is but they said it didn't have a secondary kill. That's why I spent $25 for a 5lb bag...expensive to say the least...I will try to find out what they use, it's not on their website.

I did see a link to another site that says the bait is most effective in the summer, not at all in fall and winter and minimal in spring. They said fumigation is best in Spring. I happen to have a car exhause to hose converter...I'll give that a try too. Anything to get them out from under my driveway before it cracks.

Sue

Sue!  WHAT is under your driveway?  Groundsquirrels?

I surely would like to know exactly what that bait is and how I could get some of it, so thanks for any information you can give me about it.  Sounds great.

Thanks,

noss

I've opted not to use poison because I worry that it may cause a painful or lingering death for the intended victims, or that it might kill unintended victims. Having accidently killed things I didn't want to kill when using lethal traps, I now use a Havahart trap and then humanely kill the unwanted critters (pack rats) and release anybody else who blunders in. It eliminates the accidents and transportation problems. I'll occasionally use a pellet gun as well, but there's always the risk of a badly-placed shot. The trap is fool-proof.

Thank you Ken for considering the elements of suffering and respect, killing is not something to take lightly or play around with.

Hey noss, I found a redtail hawl that died just as you described this past winter, I had no idea why until just now...

Everyone else- I'm shocked, I expected a little more sense here.  How about newspaper and clothespins?

It is illegal to kill tree squirrels in California with bait poison! "County Agricultural bait" is not for tree squirrels in your county Sue! The rest of you probably need a permit to kill game animals so I would be careful what is said here, where everyone can read it.

Caneyscud, it sound like you live in squirrel territory, what are your shade trees? They will still cause you problems after those cute little guys go, figs hate shade; try pawpaws if you have some part shade they like that. Just be glad your house is not as hot in the summer ;) I could take a few fresh panache cuttings if you are interested for a pot on the deck.

 
My older brother had a similar experience with my favorite squirrel family and his strawberries, he tried everything to save those berries- nets, traps, a rottweiler... in reality, his strawberry garden sat under a near total canopy with no drainage, tall weeds and no production but he blamed the squirrels instead of himself. I stole every rat trap I could find and planted his runners in my own (well planned) garden. Some people.

Brent, I'm a humane guy. When you deal with as much destruction from squirrels as I have over the last couple of years, you become pretty callous towards the rodents. They are common rats with a fluffy tail. They destroy my crops, my trees, both of which negatively impact my family. Every protection I have put in place has failed (I've tried dozens, even automated sprinklers and fake owls). I am not under tree canopies, I have nearby tree stands they live in.

You say you're shocked and thought folks here would have more sense; I'm shocked that you would speak so bluntly and inconsiderately about myself and others without understanding or even asking about the extremity of my situation. If you do not fully understand what I have tried and the suffering I have been through, how in the world can you judge me? How long is it acceptable for me to be a victim to rodents before I can take actions to remove them from my life?

Brent,  Yes, luckily I live in an established 70 year old neighborhood.  And yes, I have limited sun - and becoming more limited every year.  I am surrounded by treasured shade trees.  In just my yard I have a 70' + pine tree and 60' + tulip popular, a hackberry that probably saw the Battle of Nashville (I live on the Confederate line of the Battle), 50+ y.o. walnut tree, 30+ y.o. Black Cherry, 50+ y.o. sycamore, 50+ y.o. ash, 50+ y.o. mulberry, a younger mulberry, a wild grapevine that is well in excess of the 30 years I've lived in the house, and many younger trees.  I even have a pear that was mature when I moved into the place so it is probably 50+ y.o. also.  I had to cut down 50 y.o. hemlock, holly, and mimosa.  

In all but two years the pear tree has been absolutely loaded with pears.  In all those years I have never been able to pick a ripe one - squirrels have gotten every single one of them - many with just one bite out of them and then thrown down.  Same with the walnuts.  My almost 30 year old micro mini apples - most years they bear many fruits - but again - never have I been able to harvest any apples.  The first years there I also planted a couple of peach trees, a japanese persimmon, a plum tree and a cherry - all espaliered on a fence to utilize as much as the sun as I could.  I cut them all down 10 years later after having spent untold dollars and time spraying, tending, fertilizing, netting, etc.....and not being able to harvest the first piece of ripe fruit.  The first few years, I could not grow tomatoes - as soon as they started turning pink - off they would go.  It seems as if I'm resigned to buying these products at the store or farmer's market.  It certainly is easier and less expensive than to tend to the plants/trees only to lose it to the squirrels.  One of my "bucket list" type dreams is to grow sweet ripe juicy grapes.  Haven't been able to do that yet because of the squirrels.  So decided to try to be smarter and plant the grapes in big pots and grow on the deck.  Good intentions, but haven't been able to harvest the first grape either.  I imagine the same will be the fate of the figs - but I am hard headed and have to try.  I have wanted to try paw-paws, but haven't been successful yet.  I have yet to find any pot grown trees locally to buy, and the two times I've ordered them - the trees did not live.  Seems that they have a long tap root and delicate roots.  I'm still looking. 

I have also had to give up bird feeding as they eat up all the food.  Bought a number of devices to make it harder for them to get to the food, but none has worked.  The last was a feeder that fooled them for a long time.  If they put their weight on anything close to the food, it closed over the food.  A bird's weight would not cause it to close.  It worked until our raccoons decided they wanted a try at the seeds and they figured out how to unhook it and let it fall to the ground and then they and all the squirrels would have a feast.  Then I securely wired it to the hook.  That worked for awhile until they found out how to make the pieces come apart and the bottom piece would fall to the ground for the inevitable seed orgy. 

I'm with Jason - how long is it acceptable to wait before taking action?  I grew up hunting.  Not at all opposed to hunting - in fact, I support it, but then I found Fly Fishing.  Standing knee deep in a cool water stream with a bamboo fly rod in hand, gentilely casting feathered hooks to the finned gemstones of the cold waters we affectionately name trout - almost obliterates all memory and want of hunting. 

Squirrels aren't the only problem - can you say moles.  And this year is the year of the 13 year cicades are to emerge - no, emerge is too mild of a word - the cicades are set to rain their fat bodies upon us, pierce and lay eggs IN the twigs of our cherished plants, and to almost drown out all other noises of our everyday world while staring at us with those menacing and piercing red eyes!  Also have mice, voles, and cockroaches big enough I can strap on my feet and use as my personal living Segway!  Now, I do things to rid ourselves of the mice and roaches.  I used to try with the moles, but none of my neighbors do anything about their mole problem and theirs just multiply and reinfest my yard.  Why is it generally okay with society to do something about these pests, but not about squirrels?  As a logically minded construction manager, I don't get it?  Maybe I'm not supposed to. 

30 years ago my brother-in-law married one of those Delaware type Yan..... err ....Northern women.   I was still pretty fresh from Texas and still liked my ten gallon Stetson, my bullhide boots, tooled leather belt, big belt buckles and tight wrangler jeans.  And so did his Best Man - although he was a different type of redneck - a Tennessee one.  At the reception, the Best Man and I decided to liven up the place and put on our boots and hats.  Mind you this was in a proper ballroom, with a tuxedo-clad 4 piece string ensemble to entertain us.  Apparently sometime during dinner, I got a spot of grease on the front of my tuxedo jacket.  I eventually asked the Bride's Elderly Aunt (from New Hampshire) to dance.  Vivid mental picture - a less than100 pound dear frail, little old, proper Northern lady dressed in her best, in the arms of a 250 pound six-footer wearing a black tuxedo with cowboy boots and a Stetson.  A little into the dance she noticed the grease spot and mentioned it.  By this time, I was ready to restart the Civil War because of all the condescending attitudes, so I muttered something that it was just "squirrel grease"!  Without a second's hesitation, and with all sincerity the Aunt proclaimed "that you boys do eat those things down there"!  This was well before the Christmas Vacation movie where Cousin Eddie's wife says about Eddie eating squirrels "Not recently, Clark. He read that squirrels were high in cholesterol".  If I had been a quicker wit, I'd have said something about giving them up because of high cholesterol or giving them up for Lent of something – but I just quietly sat down, put my head in my hands and daydreamed of fricasseed squirrel! 

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