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New unknowns around the corner in 6b

So I've been driving past a few large fig trees right around the corner from my house for a year now.  I finally got up the courage to go talk to the owner and she's very nice.  What I originally thought was two large fig trees is actually 3 large fig trees.  The lady received them from her Aunt as three small plants from Italy.  They've been outside and unprotected (zone 6b) for approximately 30 years.  A few branches died back a few feet this winter but it seems to come bounding back.


She was so very generous and mentioned I could take cuttings.  I took about a dozen green cuttings and am attempting to root them through various means.  Unfortunately there was only about 1 ripe fruit and I ate it, so no fruit pics, but it's a smallish dark fig with a red interior, very sweet.  I do have several pictures of the leaves of the plants.  Unfortunately there's no way to know which plant is which now since they've grown into each other.  Definitely appears to be at least two unique plants at least from the leaf pics.

Any guesses or wild speculations as to an identification?



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No help on identification, but please let me know what you plan on calling these, because my "I love interesting leaf shapes" alarm is going off...bells and whistles.   LOL            Great find, and good luck with your rooting!

I love that kind of story and I think that those are the best plants!

I agree, these are the fig trees that have not been seen. Plus there is a story behind who brought it here and from where. Hopefully you will be able to get them to root and in time produce enough plant material to share.

 

                             luke

 

cool story

Since I'm not yet very accomplished at rooting, I'm going to be taking some cuttings for folks on the forum from these trees on Monday (10/31).  I imagine with the pending northeast snowstorm the trees will go dormant.


If anyone is interested in obtaining some cuttings, I'd be willing to send some on the following conditions: you're rather experienced at rooting cuttings, you're willing to update the thread with progress on the growing trees.  I'm asking for experienced propagators simply because of the limited supply of cuttings right now.

It'd be an added bonus if you're willing to share any rooted plants with me, though that's certainly not a prerequisite.

I'm thinking of sending out 5-10 batches of cuttings in the USPS flat rate padded envelopes (unless someone would suggest another means of shipping cuttings).  I'm hoping perhaps half a dozen to a dozen cuttings per package.

Send me a PM if interested.

Very interesting find.

Take a look around the base of the plant, and it is very likely that you can find a few rooted suckers growing there that could be easily removed with no harm to the mother plant at all.  So even if you aren't good are rooting cuttings, you can't fail with one that is already rooted.

Best wishes.

John

Very true.  Any harm in digging up a sucker after it has gone dormant then overwintering indoors?  I didn't see any small suckers but did see some rather large ones.

All of my figs are in ground, so I don't know about bringing figs indoors in pots.

But I would think that if you potted up the rooted sucker in some good quality potting soil, kept it in a place where it could get some chilling but no heavy freeze, watered it occasionally, it would do just fine and take off in the spring.

Nothing ventured nothing gained though.

Best wishes.

John

It is too early to take cuttings. On the tree they can stay better than in refrigerator. To be on the safety side, you can take them from the tree when you will know that there is coming a freeze below 12F.

Really?  I thought that pretty much any time after the tree has gone dormant it's okay to take cuttings.

Cuttings taken in early spring, before bud break, have the highest chance of success. But, if the tree suffers winter damage it is best to take them in the fall.

Good to know.  I'm thinking that fall or early winter may be the best time to take cuttings on this one due to the fact that it seems to have a bit of dieback on the tallest branches.

Even for you... take that cutting in April, right around Spring flush of leaves, stick in dirt. Keep well watered and it should take.


Old timers did it this way.

I found some root suckers and have a couple dug up and in pots with moist potting soil.  I imagine the fall, after they've gone dormant, is a good time to dig up suckers, right?  I'm thinking of simply overwintering them in pots in a cold cellar then taking them out and planting them in the spring.  Any drawbacks to digging up these suckers now?

Not really but it is better to wait for full dormancy- less stress on roots and plant.

What's the difference between dormancy (when the leaves die and fall off) and "full dormancy"?

Sorry I just say 'full' just to make sure they are hibernating. Dormancy is fine as a word. I'm too literal sometimes. LOL


All  leaves may fall off but wood may not have hardened off( completely dark). They may stay green a while before colder temperatures bring into what I call 'Full Dormancy' -No leaves, brown wood, and no sap running. It's basically like a bear hibernating.

In your section of PA, If your not already there, your only 1 to 2 weeks away at most.

Makes sense.  We had our first really good frost about a week and a half ago, and several since then.  The leaves on the trees are dead but we've had some warm days (high 50s, low 60s) so I suppose the sap could still be flowing.  


Does the sap begin to retreat as soon as the leaves die?  Does it continue flowing on warmer days and only retreat once temperatures are consistently cold (below some certain threshold)?

I'm not really an expert and I won't pretend to be one.


From what I understand it has alot to do with the root mass and dirt staying cold that helps a tree go dormant and stay that way. Sap just naturally starts slowing down and retreating. It takes a bit longer for sap to slow down after leaf drop.

Same applies in the reverse- as root mass wakes in Spring, tree comes OUT of dormancy.

Tim
Here are some pictures of the unknowns from Italy. They are doing pretty good. #3 is the only one giving me any problem. It is the fourth photo.

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Nice!  Those are all looking really healthy, especially the second one!  I take it you must have started them soon after I sent them?


Mine (including some rooted suckers), are just starting to push out buds now.  Thanks for the update!

Tim
I started them on 17 Nov 11 inside the house. The following weekend I started some in the garage and some in the yard. With some of the #3's giving me a problem, two weeks ago I started more of them using the improved baggie method. Today I took the inside gang outside for the first time. I BBQ'd ribs while they sat under the oak tree. It was 77F here today. I'll post more photos in a couple of weeks.

Great to hear Charles!


I've been rooting mine in a closed bin filled with damp potting soil (just plain old Miracle Gro potting soil, though I've heard others warn against anything with fertilizer).  I don't wash them or anything, just stick them flat in the soil, lay some dirt over them, and wait for roots to start to sprout.  It takes about a month for roots to start forming (perhaps due to the cool location?), but it's worked very very well.  I just potted up 9 yesterday and have several from weeks' past growing well under the grow lights.  I think the combination of a cooler rooting environment and less fussing over the cuttings made a huge difference.

I tried rooting in a peat moss container inside a plastic cup and that didn't go well at all.  I don't think any of these unknowns took using that method (though I've had success with some cuttings that were sent to me by Marius).

The root suckers are doing very well.  I have four of those and they all are showing good growth at this point.  One has even formed a breba.

Anyone else who got some of these have an update?  Oh and I wouldn't worry about sending back any rooted plants at this point...I think I'll have all that I can handle.

Tim

Thank you again for the cuttings. I have several that are already into one gallon pots. I would love to see some pictures of the parent trees when they have leaves and fruit on them.

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