Please drop the abbreviations when referring to the name of a variety.  Experienced growers may know what "BT"..'MVSB"...or, 'BM" stands for, but new members, and other casual readers who are not too familiar with all the varieties might have a hard time deciphering the "code".

This forum will be read for years to come, and, varieties will come and go in popularity.  Imagine a new fig grower Google-searching for "BM".  What will show up on the screen?


Just something to consider.

Frank

Thanks, Frank. it's nice to have a senior member speaking up on thisp.  As a newcomer, I have struggled a bit with the abbreviations but dared not speak up for fear of being chastised. I know what is BT and BM now, not sure about MVSB yet.

Thx
Danny K
Marshall Tx

The meanings of MVSB are.

M=Marseilles
the VS= the members (of this forum)name and VS is his initials
and the B=black.

Get ya one...It is a can do fig.

I know what you are going through.  You are right, and not alone.

Those veteran members that are familiar with reading, and posting on both fig forums, know the "code", and it's very easy, for ease of posting, and because of prior knowledge, to use these short-hand abbreviations to refer to varieties of figs.  On a number of occasions, I have even resorted to this shorthand, but I try to avoid its overuse.  Mea culpa.  I can only assure that this is really very innocent, and unintentional.  But even with that being said, it doesn't help the newer members.

An even more disturbing trend has emerged over the last few days.  I have read on more than a few threads, written by newer members, that they fear being criticized; chastised; afraid to offer opinions; know their place... i.e. (to keep quiet)...etc.  This is not good.  New members always bring freshness to stale, dusty subjects, and what's old to us, is brand new to many.

Please keep all this in mind.  Encourage, and clarify postings, names, suggestions for help.

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FOR NEWER MEMBERS....

These forums are for YOU.  PLEASE, ask all your questions, and invite suggestions and comments.  These forums are the place to learn cutting-edge information about growing fig trees.  No textbooks will substitute for direct experience, and the books just repeat incorrect information.

Stay with the forums,  The learning curve is thankfully short, and most times, you will taste your efforts within a year or two.  Growing fig trees will be a very rewarding experience, and once you learn the basics, you'll never look back in regret.  Be sure of this...you might have some failures.  We all do...but turn those failures into triumphs.  ANYONE can grow a fig tree.  We were all new growers at one time.



Frank

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Bobby...

BT= Brown Turkey
BM= Black Madeira...Black Mission...Black Marseilles...see, that's why abbreviations are confusing.

Just like any other time a name is abbreviated it should only reference the full name of the subject. For example...

Frank, I use to feel that way until I got 2 or 3 of the same fig from different sources.  Today, I like having the abbreviations attached.  It helps identify that particular fig.  For instance, you can buy a Black Mission from Lowes or Home Depot.  But if you get a Black Mission from a forum member with the "NL" suffix then you know what to expect.  What you get from Lowes or HD might end up being Celeste or Brown Turkey.  It's kind like getting a rabbit from butcher.  If one foot is not skinned, then you know that meat is truly rabbit.  Where as if all the feet are cut off then it could be a squirrel. 

I got 2 Marseilles Blacks in my orchard. One is a VS and the other is suppose called Marseilles Black.  Turns out one is just a plain of Brown Turkey and not Marseilles Black VS.  So, I see your point and it does take some explaining but really required.

My vdb and rdb have fruit but cddg dropped. Gc didn't produce neither did lsug cddn looking good Dk has main crop growing lsusb is pretty good mvsb first to ripen bm loaded same with fp. Vl looks sad bmnl is misplaced same with enbt. Mbt bc is going strong. Bi is starting to Get ripe. Sc bc is a beast same with kb-g. Mf gm kind of slowed down. 

HAHA

Dan your a bigger agitator than I am.....By FAR

Love it Celt!

It's always nice when people first 'spell it out', but that's just not always going to happen. When I first got here, I didn't know what any of the abbreviations stood for. If I wanted to know, I'd ask. Still will. People have always been very nice about explaining.

Recently someone mentioned REI (not the current thread) and I asked what that stood for. Turns out REI is the name, lol.

Thanks Dan- I just had an MF. LOL

All my figs are BS

LMAO, good one BS!

A few forum members correctly identified the problems which can be eliminated if the poster spells out the name, and then abbreviates further along in the message.  Then there will be no confusion.  There is no reason for anyone to have to guess the name of a fig.  If you are growing a "Brown Turkey" from Edible Landscaping, just say so and then, write "BT"-EL.  Then everyone is on the same page, especially, the NEWER MEMBERS. 


celt:  : ))))  Thank-you for the clarifications.

Thanks for the comments.

Frank

Frank, are you talking about abbreviating the name of the fig (i.e. BT = Brown Turkey), or are you talking about the abbreviations AFTER the name of the fig (like Marseilles Black VS)?

A lot of us will try to spell out the name at least once at the start of a post, then start abbreviating it from there on out.  Some of us type so much that it is totally impractical to sit here and type out the full name time and time again.  I totally get what you're asking and why you're asking it, but ... you're asking folks to put in a lot of extra work, in some cases.

SOOOO! that's what EL stands for?
Edible landscapes?
duh! I should have known!
I agree Frank, it can be very frustrating to try to figure out what the abrevs mean. so what does VS mean?

VS is the abbreviation of a person's name who may not want the entire world to know who he is.

Any time you see an abbreviation at the end of a name, it's usually indicating the source of the plant or plant material. 

Dan, Yes, "EL" stands for Edible Landscape.

Marseilles VS is my fault. I got this from Herman, when it was kind of an unknown because it was mis-labeled when Herman bought it. He felt that it was a Marseilles Black. I didn't want to confuse it with other Marseilles variants I had, so I called it Marseilles VS to distinguish it. I think most everyone selling/trading this variety has adopted this nomenclature, so that it is clear what you are getting when you order a Marseilles VS.

Similarly I have several Celestes, JN, GM, IS, 2BJS, PN, PM, AAA01, and so on. Each came from a different source, and they all vary in fruiting, etc. I could have called them #1, #2, #3, etc.  but the initials are more definitive descriptors that tell me their origin. Some of my sources do not wish to be identified (that is their choice and their right), and it is not important (in most cases) to know this information, only which ones (GM, JN, etc) are the best performing. If you ordered Celeste #1 of Celeste JN, the important thing is to be able to distinguish them  by a unique "part number".

BM could be Black Mission, of Black Madeira, Big Momma's, etc. If the first reference is spelled out, it can be abbreviated thereafter, and everyone will know what it refers to.

BT should be easily discernible if you have read more that a couple threads. ;-))

I dunno, Gina, I haven't had any brains in a while, I can feel the cravings coming on.... ;)

LOL. 

Looking for those soft, juicy, dark red centers again, eh? ;)

I'm in trouble, my forum name is BLB uh oh

I have asked what abbreviations stood for and did not get any snarky answers. I find everyone to be quite helpful and kind to my novice questions.

If the full name of the fig gets used at least once, I can generally figure it out when abbreviations are then used. And if the full name is used at least once it will come up in a search when someone plugs in a name of a fig they are wanting more info on. I've been using the search option a lot.

And I, for one, love you for that, Nichole!