a very generous member has provide me with very very nice and healthy NdC cutting. i can finally find out if Kathleen's Blk and NdC are same or not. 

thank you!

Thanks to the "member"......and good luck to you Pete....hope you'r feeling better this week than last.....

Best of luck with it Pete, let us know the results.

vince, 

cold is about gone. but i need time to rest. only problem is time is only thing i don't have right now. monday was my younger son's activity night. yesterday was my older son's court of honor at his troop. today, well.. today was almost like rest. i moved about 20 cuttings from baggies to cups. Nero 600M, Pastiliere (Baud), St. Rita, HC EL, MSVB.. i'm waiting for my Paradiso Nero, Paradiso Nero Mario, and Paradiso Bronze VS to root, along with some unknowns, Stella, Conadria (Paradise Nursery). it's going to be a busy few months for the figs. tomorrow, and next day, i'll be at my kids' school all night. i need a vacation. 

I also have NDC cuttings started and a nice big healthy KB planted in ground. now if KB makes it though winter and any of these cuttns make it I'll be doing my own comparison as well. I'm just seeing root initials on mine, how are your Pete or did you just get them?  

NDC is the holy grail of the figs i am after. i am rooting a KB at this time and have been told by some they are the same. but i have been told by many many more that they are both very great tasting figs and close but not the same. i feel the only way to know for sure is to get both. i have one (KB) rooting right now. please please keep us posted on this issue. this is an issue close to my heart.

Dave

Pete,
   Sounds like you have a lot on your plate. At the age your children are, it has to be family first, figs second :(     Believe it or not your kids will actually thank you for it one day............................... when there about 30  :)

I've read quite a bit about them too.  Very similar, but possibly not the same.

I'm happy at least at this point to be rooting KB thanks to a very generous member.   For now, I'm going to be content with just this one.  For now.........

For what it is worth, Noire de Caromb is identical to Cuello Dama Negro & Charles Allen according to Aradhya et al at UC Davis by their DNA testing. That suggests that NdC is a fig that has picked-up a number of different names along the way. Interestingly, it is the fig most closely related to Mission. 

barry,

it's a new cutting. i just got it yesterday. i'll be trimming and doing baggie thing today.

DWD2,

last few DNA test indicates number of different figs are same. i don't think they are checking the whole sequence.

I have a NdC cutting presently enjoying 80 degree humid weather snug in a 10oz clear plastic cup of moistened perlite and vermiculite anxiously wanting to show me some roots :)  Will be a merry Christmas for sure when it does :)

Tyler

bullet08, You are correct that the fig cultivars in the NCGR collection at UC Davis were not DNA sequenced for the comparison used in the publication by Aradhya et al. They used SSRs (simple sequence repeats) to assay the genomes of the various cultivars. Use of SSRs in molecular genetics is currently the most efficient way (best way) to compare the degree of relatedness in more than a hand full of various individuals of the same species. So, when two cultivars are determined to be different, they are different, a result that would be confirmed with DNA sequencing. The degree of relatedness among cultivars determined by this analysis would not be meaningfully changed, if changed at all, by DNA sequence comparisons. This has been firmly established in lots of biological systems where DNA sequence has been done on multiple independent individuals and compared with SSR results. In the case of cultivars that are identical by SSR analysis, it is entirely possible that there are some DNA sequence differences. Whether any of those hypothetical differences might fall within the coding or regulatory sequences of any gene can only be speculated about. There are a number of genetic effects not driven by DNA sequence, such as epigenetic effects, that could cause even two individuals that are identical by DNA sequence to behave differently in growth and fruit production. There could also be phenotypic differences driven by whatever FMD (fig mosaic disease) causing virus(es) is/are found in a particular version of any cultivar. Sorry for going off on this tangent. What I was trying to illustrate in my reply above is that Aradhya et al found other cultivars identical to NdC by their assay. So, it may be that fig is one of those that has collected lots of different names. Even Kathleen Black.

Good luck with your trees!

great, i'll compare NdC to my CdDN also.