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buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392919714	Reply with quote #1

I was just curious if anyone has any pines that they grow for pignoli nuts. I always wanted to plant some pines that I could get pine nuts from. Not sure how hard or easy it is. I did find a great site to purchase trees, but it is in Canada, http://www.nuttrees.com/index.htm Knowing us fig lovers usually have other eidbles they grow, I thought I would see if anyone had any experience with nut producing pines? To make this on topic, I have had several recipes that were yummy that had figs and pignoli nuts together in them! (Does that help?) __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

DesertDance

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Posted 1392920146	Reply with quote #2

I have several seeds currently stratifying in the fridge now. They got soaked for 24 hours, and are now wrapped in a damp paper towel, with cinnamon to prevent mold, and will stay in the fridge for about 45 days. Then I'll try em in root riot, direct in ground, and in pots. Experimenting here. We have a good climate for them, and have pine groves established, so they'll be planted with the other pines. We are purchasing pistachio trees soon, and have an established macadamia. Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392920549	Reply with quote #3

Where do you get seeds for trees? Curious.and how old till they produce? __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

bullet08

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Posted 1392920982	Reply with quote #4

as much as i hate pine trees, i love pine nuts. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392921327	Reply with quote #5

I live on a freshwater lake that is on the border of the NJ Pine Barrens (no, there are no dead bodies hidden and floating in the lake! LOL!) However, the soil here stinks, and the only trees that seem to survive well are pines and cedars. And since I have tried to plant many stone fruit trees, most with not much luck, thought maybe if the only trees I can plant that will thrive are pine trees, maybe I could plant some that are nut bearing. __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

DesertDance

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Posted 1392921678	Reply with quote #6

I got my seeds on Ebay. The generic name is Pinus cebroides adulis, aka Pinion Pine. They came from here via Ebay. There may be other varieties, but the one I referenced is the one in my zone. Not sure how long they take to produce, but probably many years. All I know is, I was happy that they do grow in my zone, and we have a lot of property where they can grow. They are a small tree and that is good. I Googled how to germinate. Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

BronxFigs

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Posted 1392926415	Reply with quote #7

Good sources for seeds in the USA: F.W. Schumacher, Co. Inc. Jim Harrington Seeds Sheffield's Seeds Lawyer Nursery-Seed Dept. J.L. Hudson-Seedsmen Try: Itasca Greenhouse for seedlings/plugs ? Frank __________________ Bronx, NYC Zone-7

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392926622	Reply with quote #8

Thanks for the recommendations! I would like to get an actual tree over seeds. I wish I could find a nursery to actual buy a larger tree to plant, but since that does not seem likely, I was looking to at least get some seedlings. __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

fignutty

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Posted 1392928456	Reply with quote #9

Pine nuts are native around here, basically desert, 15 inches rain a yr and calcareous soil. Are you sure they will even grow in NJ especially on wet acidic soil? __________________ Steve in Alpine TX 7b/8a Wish list: Sangue Dolce, Siblawi, Victoria, Emalyn's Purple, Colonel Littman's Black Cross

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392928981	Reply with quote #10

Quote: Originally Posted by fignutty Pine nuts are native around here, basically desert, 15 inches rain a yr and calcareous soil. Are you sure they will even grow in NJ especially on wet acidic soil? Actually, no I am not sure they will grow here. However, at that Candian site, they have several varieties that are able to grow in cold zones, and knowing that pines trees thrive here, I thought I would try it. Again, I am not sure, I cannot find much specific information on them. __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

Ruuting

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Posted 1392931303	Reply with quote #11

Christy, you might want to check out seedrack.com for a piñon variety that is supposedly hardy to zone 3. Doesn't like much water, though. Pinus cembroides edulis Piñon Pine, grows very slowly, but stays small. A seedling will literally look like a seedling for 5 years, and it takes 10-15 years to start producing. __________________ Rui Southeast CT, zone 6B

rcantor

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Posted 1392932847	Reply with quote #12

Pinon pine nuts have a hard seed coat. It's hard to break the shell and leave the nut intact. Sugar pine nuts are much easier but I doubt they grow outside of mountains. http://www.fao.org/docrep/x0453e/x0453e12.htm Species list http://pinenutsyndrome.wordpress.com/pine-nut-species/ Other info http://pinenut.com/growing-pine-nuts/how-to-grow-pine-nuts-nursery.shtml __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

ADelmanto

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Posted 1392935222	Reply with quote #13

I'm the purchasing manager for a large landscaping company. When it comes to sourcing green goods, I can usually find it. Try here. http://www.nuttrees.com/edible.htm If you need a truckload of mature size trees, I can probably find those as well. Lol __________________ https://www.facebook.com/From-The-Ground-Up-403313193085649/

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392936522	Reply with quote #14

Thanks everyone for the info! That one site that sells trees I think is in Canada, I am not sure if they can ship out to the US? Rcantor, interesting links! Ruuting, thanks! Adelmanto, I see you are in NJ, where in NJ? Non pine nut related, I lost a bunch of trees the last couple of years, and am looking to find a tree to replace where a large old cedar was (darn, I miss that tree), so I would like to get a tree that is large. Would be great to get a tree purple leaves, I was thinking of a flowering plum, but. Not necessary. Wondering if you are in my area? __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

pino

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Posted 1392937474	Reply with quote #15

We have pine trees everywhere around here and they grow in all sorts of soil. They are slow growers like all nut trees and they need some basic drainage. __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

rcantor

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Posted 1392938765	Reply with quote #16

About sugar pines... The seeds are very good but http://www.fs.fed.us/database/feis/plants/tree/pinlam/all.html Sugar pine does not become a good cone producer until it has attained a diameter of about 30 inches (75 cm) or is about 150 years old [2,16]. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

Nichole

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Posted 1392939158	Reply with quote #17

I am happy to see this thread! I plan on planting some for privacy between my yard and the neighbors. We left a 12' space between fences for that purpose. I think pine trees that grow yummy nuts are a fun idea! __________________ Seattle area - Zone 8b http://www.niroha.com Fig Inventory https://sites.google.com/site/nicholesgardeninventory/fig-trees Wish list: Barbillone, Black Triana, Brooklyn Dark, Brooklyn White, Figo Branco, Figo Preto, Grantham Royal, Grisse de St Jean, Honey Jumbo, LSU Gold, LSU Scott's Yellow, Matta, Noire De Caromb, Panevino Dark, Roja, Syrian Long, Uncle Corky's Honey Delight

DesertDance

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Posted 1392939690	Reply with quote #18

If Christy is by a lake, is it possible that the ground might be too wet for pines? They love dry sandy soil. Like figs, they don't like wet feet. The varieties of pines that don't like long chill hours do well here. We have some 80-100' drought resistant pine trees that must be about 30 years old in two groves. The pine straw beneath is thick and creates an amazing mulch for the pines. I just planted a Douglas Fir seedling in one grove. It was just a 8" stick with pine needles and roots in a baggie of soil when it arrived. After 5 weeks, it has grown to 10" and has 1" branches with green tips, and is becoming a miniature Christmas tree. It's so cute!! We intend to keep it shaped for many of it's years so we can bring in Christmas pine smelling branches and cones for holiday decor and ambiance. None of our pines have edible cones, but I use the cones to dip in wax and make fire starters. The wind through the pines is an incredible sound! I am stratifying Pacific White Fir seeds also for a front yard Christmas tree. Something about Christmas lights on a real tree is just good! Christmas lights on a friggin Palm don't do it!! Christy, I'm sure you'll find some answers. Try the conifer forum over at Garden Web. They might have some help for you there also. Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392996140	Reply with quote #19

I actually as looking at pines because nothing else seems to grow well here except them. Otherwise, I would have all sort of fruit trees all over the yard. I have planted several fruit trees over the years, with no success except one peach that is thriving and a couple of cedar resistant apples. I even did an experiment, I bought 2 of the same variety cherry dwarf trees, put one in the ground, one in a large container, now 3 years later, the one in the container is huge while the one in the ground has not grown at all. Btw, here is my backyard. You can see the beginning of the pine barren across the lake. __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

musillid

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Posted 1392998604	Reply with quote #20

Lovely photos. Really? No one sleeping with the fish there? __________________ Dale non compost mentis in Zone 6a

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392999382	Reply with quote #21

Nope, no bodies came up yet ( I would assume they tied cement blocks to their legs so they do not float up to the surface!) ;) __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1393083965	Reply with quote #22

Adelmanto, where in NJ is you business located? __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

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