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ok, never seen this before.

so, Pastiliere Baud was sight of beauty. full dark leaves everywhere, growing very strong. then i watered, lime, and fertilized it yesterday. all of sudden, all the leaves are drooping really bad. it looks like it's about to die. 

i was think it's just "wet" and will perk up in day or two. well.. it's even worse today. none of the leaves are perking up. they are still all drooping and looks like about to kick the bucket. i never seen this before. even branches are drooping. 

even the new cuttings that has been moved into the 1 gal only a week or two ago are fine with water, lime and fertilizer from yesterday. what could go going wrong? i'm puzzled. any ideas? 

ok, just went out and took a look at the plants again. they are not limp like as in transplant shock. the leaf stem is still. it's almost like for whatever reason, the stem has been "bent" and not when limp due to lack of or too much water. not sure what i need to do to make it right. 

firm stem and drooping leaf is overwatering.. hmm.. from now on, i'll be watering Pastiliere Baud less water. 

Same thing has happened to my small battaglia , all of the leaves are drooping. We had some heavy winds and rain a few days ago so im assuming thats what happened to mine, but im new to all of this so i really dont know.

what kind of lime did you use Pete?

I killed my largest and oldest LSU Gold years ago using that fast acting white lime. I hope it pulls through. Good luck!

dennis, it was fast acting granule lime. but all the others were given same amount more or less and they are all doing well. i couldn't find my typical garden lime. dang.. i hope this isn't the lime thing. don't want to kill off all my plants.. lol

Is it more like a curl?  Sometimes when plants get a lot of sugars built up they curl leaves inwards but then when they are able to burn them off they un curl.  With tomatoe plants grown in a hydroponic greenhouse this will happen over night in a vegetative plant and should be absent by morning then it repeats itself in the afternoon/evening eventually it balances out and doesn't dramatically curl.

i'm noticing this on most of plants now. i'm going to try to flush out the lime with water tomorrow. i'm not sure what's going on. i though there was no sucha thing as too much lime for the figs.. i would hate to lose all my plants for my stupid mistake. 

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i'm noticing this on most of plants now. i'm going to try to flush out the lime with water tomorrow. i'm not sure what's going on. i though there was no sucha thing as too much lime for the figs.. i would hate to lose all my plants for my stupid mistake. 


Pete did you use dolomite lime? Thats usually whats recommended and you can use quite a bit. It also has cal and mag and raises your ph to about 7. The other garden lime can raise your ph super high and damage plants.

Pete, 

You mentioned you used the fast acting time that was white. What does the bag say the chemical make up is and how soon after mixing did you apply? 

In general use even for animals and plants that can use this lime one has to mix up the water 24 hours ahead of time and while sitting use a air stone to add air to the mix to react with the calcium and the other chemical used as a binder. Sounds to me as you probably used calcium hydroxide, calcium carbonate or calcium chloride in a more pure form than gained from limestone or dolamite. 

What kind of fertilizer did you use?  Maybe the fertilizer was too strong and burned your tree.

If your fig was outside it could be the cold temperatures. Many plants' roots don't function well under 55 degrees. I had a couple 1 gallons outside last night and they were droopy and limp. I put them in the greenhouse which was 90 degrees and they perked up in a few hours.

Noss you posted:

"If you hold it in your hand and add water and it gets hot, it's not the dolomite limestone and you need to use way less of it." 

I would not advise anyone to perform this test; for this could cause severe chemical burning to the exposed to area. Always mix chemicals is an appropriate container. 

Pete, it you think it's the lime I'd rinse off all the soil and keep rinsing the roots then repot and keep in the shade a while.

went out and took a look at the package. it's calcium carbonate. urgh... only 4 new plants are severely affected. i'll be scrapping all the top soils and flushing the pot today. the leaves are still looking good. just that leaf stems are all curled down. hope getting rid of the lime left on top and flushing out the soil will bring back the plants. god, i'm so stupid. i was looking for my normal dolomite lime, but didn't find them so i thought lime is lime and got this one. lesson learned. i hope i didn't kill the Pastiliere. i was looking so forward to this one.

Pete,
Don't beat yourself up too much. Nothing replaces experience and nothing teaches like loss. I, for example, seem cursed trying to get Col de Dame Gris to live long enough to make it out to my outside figs. I have a lot of CdDame B and N and other then 2 air layers of Noir failing I've had few problems with these 2 varieties. I've also had issues with Fico Negra which (I'm told) is very closely related to CdD Gris. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I must have gotten the ole stink eye on these two this year. Eventually I'll get the 5 of each I want for comparison, but at this rate it won't be anytime soon. I hope you have another cutting to start. Is there a difference between the Pastiliere cuttings I got from UCD and your Pastiliere Baud?
MGG

well.. it's over 60 plants. thank god most of them are not having severe problem like Pastiliere Baud.. i'm told they are same. however, so far, Pastiliere Baud has been growing much faster and strong. UCD Pastiliere is having some issue growing showing lot of signs of FMV.

Pete what ever you do im sure at least your Pastiliere will be ok in long run at least the UcDavis 1 i had was one tuff bugger .

Recently i notice leaf curl and stem drooping on several plants of mine that did not come in garage but not because of any lime or fertilizer it was the 1 cold night that got to several while others right next to them did fine .

Good luck especially with the UcDavis Pastiliere as mine always dropped most of its figs each season, they would color but no swell and try to trick me but i fixed it good with lots of heat.

martin, i'm sure they will be fine after the flush. rest of the week looks beautiful and i'm sure that will help. flush today, and once again on sunday. they are all on my front porch under the shade so, not much stress, but the temp will be high enough the water should dry up nicely.

Pastiliere will be one of those trees i wanted to try after reading your posts, along with Hardy Chicago Paradise Nursery. way you describe the taste of those figs.. if i can just taste few of them a year, that would be good enough for me. there will be other work horses that will provide enough figs to fill my tummy like VdB and Paradisos.

it's just amazing what little of wrong lime can do. i mean.. they are not limp. the stems are firm as it can be.. just that they are all curled.. leaves are firm too. they are not turning yellow or drying up.. or at least not yet. the buds are looking fine. urgh..

thanks all for the help. i'm update on the progress soon. good thing i have duplicates. hope at least one of each will survive.

i flushed them twice and let them rest tilted. now they are under the shade. 5 out of 65 are badly misshapen. 2 Pastiliere Baud, 2 Paradiso Bronze, and 1 Nero 600M. i'm just hoping they won't die on me. as long as they are alive, they will bounce back in few weeks.

Pete, I would get a cheap ph meter (ebay, pool supplies) and measure your runoff when you flush. Its the only way you'll know if your flushing most the lime out. Last thing you need is your ph is at 9 and if you let that dry out, the lime will concentrate in the soil. Which will increase the ph even more and continue to damage your plants.

i should do that, but at this point, if the lime has not been washed away, only other option is repot with new soil which will actually cause about the same stress as the lime itself. 

noticed that the trees that's at least 1 yr old with good set of root did not have this issue. even the new cutting with minimal growth didn't have any issue. the plants that had most problem are the ones that was rooted this winter/spring and had fastest growth and had largest leaves. i think large leaves will weighting down the branch and help distort the plant. 

the leaf stems are softening up now. they are not as hard and firm as before. either they are going to drop or will perk up in few days. tho, i'll end up with weird distorted plants. 

i couldn't stand looking at the distorted plants. i gave them all a hair cut go start new growth from node below. hope that works.  

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A couple of long flushes should do the trick leave the hose on low sprinkle for a while

Hope they survive for you.  Are you going to try to root the cuttings?  Can't hurt to try  :)

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