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OT - Eating Wheat & trying to eat right

Harvey ,
I was thinking the same thing about GMO wheat , on its way unfortunately , but only at the "testing stage" for the most part.

With corn , I'm pretty certain all corn, even for corn chips etc.. is mostly GMO. It is only sweet corn, so far that has escaped this ,but even that is now being worked on.

Most veggies are not GMO yet , but many are in the pipeline.
GMO labeling is about all we can hope for at this point.
Regarding citrus , I recently read a good explanation of why GMO for citrus greening is not likely to be much help for very long. If I can find that article again , I'll post it.

Harvey, I do the opposite. I look at the number of negative views, but I don't read them all. I read the positive ones. I know they are opinions but I like to read them anyway.

PawPawBill, I lived in Ankara, Turkey years ago. I remember the bread we would get delivered every morning. The bread wasn't white. It was brown on the outside and tan on the inside. Every morning it came to me wrapped in paper, placed in a bag and tied to my door knob. The bread was so good and dense. It had to be eaten daily. If not, the next day it would be hard as a stone! It had no preservatives in it. The Turks called it Ekmeck. It is real bread. I miss that bread. The book Wheat Belly explains in detail how and why wheat was genetically modified. I can remember hearing years ago that wheat was modified, the book confirmed it. It's a total shame!

I'm still going to try and eat based on my blood type. I do sleep better at night and I'm not tired and dragging in the afternoon. The way I look at things is we did not have all these health problems and diseases back in the 30s and 50s. Back then, everyone lived off the land. They walked and worked for hours and ate healthy. Today, it cost so much more just to try and eat healthy. To me, it's a choice that I must do.

Thanks for all the comments! Keep them coming!

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Originally Posted by jpeaspanen

As for GMOs "saving millions of lives," these products may have provided short-term food solutions for world populations, but they also made these peoples depend on the big seed companies and modern farming technology. By hooking them on licensed products, they effectively sent heritage/heirloom varieties to extinction. Biodiversity is lost. Our "experts" shamed traditional farmers as primitive and promoted farming techniques and products that replaced more soil-friendly practices. Sure, thanks to GMOs, they eat today, but will their children or grandchildren?


I was thinking more along the lines of GMOs like Golden Rice. I have a hard time telling the world to avoid GMOs at the cost of millions of lives and tens-hundreds of millions suffering from debilitating diseases such as permanent blindness. It's easy to sit in our plush houses and make sweeping generalizations, but the fact is that many GMOs have changed the world for literally hundreds of millions of people. And yes, their children and grandchildren will eat and be blindness free.

Genetically modified corn, soy, and or canola is in nearly all processed food. It's hidden with many names, but if you research ingredients, canola oil, high fructose corn syrup, cornstarch, soy protein, lecithin, etc. and many others, the sources are GMOs. Why do you think the food? industry has spent so many millions of dollars to defeat labeling laws? They realize that an informed consumer will shun their products. In Europe, even McDonalds has to use GMO-free products. As for not being in the food chain, a huge percentage of GMO crops are fed to livestock, and unless you are a vegan, you are eating them. You are what you eat.

We are also eating way too much meat.  My favorite food book is Fast Food Nation which is expertly researched and written (not just about food, also how it affects our society). If you have seen the movie, the book is much better.  There are some excellent film documentaries to watch as well such as Forks Over Knives, which also provides research from around the world that shows how meat adversely affects our bodies (cancer and heart disease primarily) and Food Inc.  The last two are on Netflix streaming if you have it.

There was a recent study on the "Mediterranean Diet" which showed so dramatically that it was healthy that they cut it short.  Basically, there are good fats (from nuts, seafood, etc.) and bad fats (other animal fats and processed fats).  Like Bass, I am very happy with the Med Diet.  That's what I grew up on!

Even if the GMO products were only used for animal feed, if you eat animals, you're eating those products. You are what your animals eat.

I am pretty sure Golden Rice was a failed experiment and was dropped.
If you look at the work of Dr. Vandana Shiva the multiple crops grown on the same land traditionally out performed Golden Rice nutritionally by a long shot.
Golden Rice wasn't a godsend it was claimed to be.

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Originally Posted by drivewayfarmer
I am pretty sure Golden Rice was a failed experiment and was dropped.
If you look at the work of Dr. Vandana Shiva the multiple crops grown on the same land traditionally out performed Golden Rice nutritionally by a long shot.
Golden Rice wasn't a godsend it was claimed to be.



The original Golden Rice was dropped nearly a decade ago for a newer version aka Golden Rice 2, which is available currently. Yes, Dr. Shiva argued in favor of other crops, however, failed to provide said crops to poor countries ( unlike GR) or to produce any real logic on how the most impoverished nations should get said crops. Another instance of research not being realistic for poor, underdeveloped countries.

Tylt33 ,
The cropping method Vandana Shiva was talking about was the existing method.
It didn't involve introducing anything to poor countries just recognizing the already advanced traditional methods which yielded better nutrition overall than mono cropping Golden Rice.
I wish there was a magic bullet to solve all problems , but GR isn't it , in my opinion.

All this advice I might as well give mine.

I consider exercise just as important as eating right. For me that's at least one hour a day vigorous exercise in addition to gardening. That and eating unprocessed foods has kept my weight within a 15 lb range for the past 52 years. I've never been more than 2-3 lbs above what I wanted to weigh. My blood pressure is 100/60 and cholesterol 130. Could drop dead tomorrow but feeling great today.

  • jtp

It is big business that gets in the way of feeding people. Profit is the main motivation behind any of these new plants. Traditional crops are competition for the dollars, and as such are targeted for elimination. Golden Rice and other GMOs are pushed onto people who may or may not want or need them. People are coerced into using them and told that they are fools to not accept this new thing. Even if they have good seed that has been grown for thousands of years, they are told it is inferior. Nobody likes to feel stupid, so they cave.

And those children and grandchildren will not eat so well if the chemical-based agricultural agenda continues to ruin the soil. The book "Teaming with Microbes" is excellent at explaining how the web of life in the soil interacts and supports plant growth. GMOs are designed to get around Nature, not work with it. As such, they encourage the extensive use of herbicides and pesticides, which kill soil life. It is a short view methodology that cannot last. Yes, you can grow plants on chemicals alone, but we are what we eat.

We have no idea what GMOs hold for us. Fact is, most GMOs are released without unbiased study. Scientists not affiliated with the seed and chemical companies have to lobby to even gain access to these modified organisms. Hiding behind "trade secrets," the companies may or may not be preventing us all from avoiding illness due to consumption of these products. If they are innocent and truly trying to benefit mankind, why do they evade independent scrutiny? Here is a link for just one of the recent stories concerning this matter:

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/gmos-really-bad-science-starting-reveal-major-concerns-164800584.html

Traditional crops and methods do work. Read "One Straw Revolution" by Masanobu Fukuoka. He was a microbiologist who specialized in plant pathology. Disgusted with how Japan was turning to Western agriculture methods, equipment and products, following WWII, he went back to his family's land and experimented with the old ways. Over the course of decades, he recorded tangible proof that you could easily match or outproduce the efforts of the modern agricultural system, without fertilizer, pesticides or modified seed. He wrote another book on reclaiming arid areas via traditional planting methods, "Sowing Seeds in the Desert."

As for McDonald's, they killed the Monsanto GMO potato project years ago by rejecting the resulting spuds. They told the seed company that they would not accept any potatoes that were tampered with. Their buying power trumped these so-called improved potatoes. Guess we see who is the bigger M.

My wife loves bread so, I pulled out the bread machine and made a 3lb loaf of gluten free bread. It's still warm. Nice and crusty on the outside and taste great! It's going to taste better with my VSOP Fig Jam in the morning!

Wheat problem solved!


Dennis ,
Thanks for starting this thread.
You've got me more serious about eating even better.

I know some people have gluten sensitivities and celiac disease is more serious, but less than one in a hundred has celiac. So, avoid it if you need to.
Here is a great site that has abundant scientific evidence for a plant based diet: http://plantpositive.squarespace.com/

Mike

Very interesting new study.
http://www.motherearthnews.com/real-food/gluten-intolerance-from-roundup-herbicide-zw0z1402zkin.aspx

Maybe it is not the wheat after all...

  • jtp

Good article, Andy. Thanks. We really don't know what such chemical applications will do to us. Pandora's box is opened without ever thinking to see what might be inside. Unbiased studies, conducted decades after the introduction of the poison, may be too little, too late. What do the company execs care? They'll have made their money and died before it is really learned what the long-term effects of their products may be. And their heirs will have the income to not have to eat the tainted crops they gave to the other 99 percent.

You are welcome Kerry!  That loaf of bread was so freaking good!!!  Notice I said....WAS.   Today, it is gone!  The bread doesn't make you feel full either.  I will be making another loaf tonight.  The wife is happy and it was very easy to make using the bread machine.

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