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OT - Jujubes -- something else to try

Lucky me was able to get my hands on a few jujubes a few months ago.

Sugar Cane
GA-866
GI 7-62 (Chico)
Honey Jar
Abbeville

Looking for a large crop this year. I know Bass has several trees. Does anyone else have them? If so, what's your favorite?



Dennis,

I have a couple trees left a Sherwood and a LI with  Tigertooth, Redlands #4, and Sugar Cane grafted on. I have had bad luck with them in late freezes as I was surprised as hardy as they are listed. I lost 2 trees to below graft that got froze after leafing out.  I always hear raves on Honey Jar and Sugar Cane, although Honey jar fruit is small.

I have Li and Sugar Cane coming this spring.  I'm looking forward to trying them, though I probably won't see fruit for a couple of years.

I have a small Lang I plan on grafting a few varities onto it eventually if it survives winter.

Abbeville. ?? I lived in abbeville. Is this figs you have ??

Abbeyville produces a heavy crop, but they're small and sour. I have a few new varieties I'm grafting this spring.

Is this,figs,or sugar cane yall talking about

I called and talked to Mr Jujube himself, Roger Meyer several times last year. I just got 3 of his trees in last week. The one I really wanted Honey Jar, he had!!!! It's not as large as some of my others but that's ok. Jujubes do have a unique flavor and taste. I bought a bunch from my local Asian market last year. I peeled, sliced, and dried them in my dehydrator after sautéed in a touch of coconut sugar and apple juice. Man they were awesome!

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Originally Posted by figpig_66
Is this,figs,or sugar cane yall talking about


Not figs.  Off topic thread on another small fruit: jujubes.  Li, Sugarcane, Honey Jar, Abbeyville, etc. are all varieties of jujube.

Thank you. I just wanted to know what kind of fruit it was. I will google it.

How long does it take to fruit. Looks like a big cherry

Love Jujubes. Lang never produced much. Li has been very fruitful, and Sherwood is great.

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Do you have jujubes?

Have one tree in a 10 gal pot and its enough.
They have strong root system and the trees are hard to kill.

I just wish they were easier to propagate.

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In my nursery business I sold Li. Great cultivar for this area. I have one now from DWN planted at my new home here in Vista.

I have Li, Li 2, Shanxi Li, Sherwood, and Jin; none in the ground more than 1.5 years.

They survived last years unusually cold temps with some damage.

Shanxi is fairly new to our shores and very promising for productivity, flavor, and fruit size.

I bought dried jujubes to try before planting. They have sort of a mild but nutty flavor and not too sweet.

I planted a few seed and grown several trees that way, but they are still small and have not fruited. They grow easily from seed. If the fruit is poor from the seedlings or any I have planted, I can use them as root stock for a scion from one I do like.

Scion wood is available for nearly any variety.

Here are some old notes I have on the varieties (ignore my highlighting).

@Li: Beautiful Chinese introduction by Frank Meyer. Large round fruit up 3 ounces in mid-August. May be picked at the yellow-green stage. Best eaten fresh. Best single tree to have. Early fruiting.

Li 2: NEW! This came to me as Li, but the fruit and the tree itself are obviously different from the Li above. The fruit is very large and ripens several weeks later than the Li. Tree has one hooked spine and one dagger spine.

SHANXI LI: NEW! First time offered in US. Extremely large fruit with great flavor.

JIN: Excellent either fresh or dried. Mid season.

@SHERWOOD: A seedling plant from Louisiana. Fruit is very dense and excellent. The tree is very narrow and upright with leaves that are a weeping habit. Very late ripening fruit.

LANG:Large, pear-shaped fruit - late ripening and must be fully red to be best. Some fruit may split and soften before ripening. Leave these on the tree to dry. This is the best for dried fruit. The tree is very upright and virtually thornless.

@HONEY JAR: A new Chinese cultivar with small but absolutely unique, sweet taste for use fresh or dried.

SHUI MEN: From the TVA project in Tennessee. Fruit is elongated and excellent fresh or dried.

SO: A tree of most beautiful shape. At each node of the stem the branch decides to go off in a different direction. Hence, very zig zag branching. Tree seems to be somewhat dwarfed. Fruit is early.

SILVERHILL: An elongated fruit from Georgia. Very late fruit to ripen. Crops well even in northern Florida.

GA866: One of the selections from the breeding program at Chico. Outstandingly sweet fruit with sugar levels approaching 45%! Large, elongated fruit. Excellent!

SUGAR CANE: Small to medium sized fruit which are round to somewhat elongated. Extremely sweet and crunchy fruit but on a very spiny plant. The fruit is worth the spines!

TSAO: From Pennsylvania with the fruit pointed at both ends. Tsao is the Chinese name for the jujube (actually "date" or "apple"). Excellent, sweet mid-season variety.

GI 7-62: From the Chico Research Program. Fruit is round but flattened to an unusual shape. Excellent, sweet taste. A real surprise! It was named "Chico" by Paul Thompson of the California Rare Fruit Growers.

GI-1183: Also from the research program. Excellent fruit of medium to large size. Late harvest.

THORNLESS: Fruit similar to Lang but may not be identical to it. It is virtually thornless.

ADMIRAL WILKES: From the Capitol grounds in Washington D.C. This plant is one of the progeny from the Wilkes expedition to the South Seas in 1842. Elongated like Silverhill and the very last to ripen.

TEXAS TART: A high acid, tart fruit from the campus of Texas Tech University, Lubbock. Small, very sweet, raisin-like fruit when dried.

TOPEKA: Collected from Mellinger's Clinic in Kansas. Very nice, crispy sweet fruit. Late harvest.

ED HEGARD: From Alabama. Fruit similar to Lang and also virtually thornless.

REDLANDS #4: Collected from an old homestead in Redlands, Ca. Very large, sweet, round fruit. Mid season.

YU: One of the original introductions by Frank Meyer. Claimed to be one of the best eating jujube.

FITZGERALD: From Georgia. Small, round fruit which are almost black when fully ripe.

ABBEVILLE: From Louisiana. An elongated fruit on a very prolific plant. Loads of small to medium fruit.

PORTERVILLE: An unknown seedling from Porterville, CA. Fruit is round and unusually bumpy.

ANT ADMIRE: Another Chinese cultivar with elongated fruit eaten fresh. Mid season harvest. Excellent.

SEPTEMBER LATE: Used fresh or dried--mid to late harvest. Fruit is elongated

GLOBE: Very large, round fruit which are best dried. Late season

SIHONG: Excellent, large, round fruit--mid season.

MU: NEW! Introduced into the US by Frank Meyer nearly 80 years ago, then lost. Recently found in an obscure botanical garden.

DON POLENSKI: NEW! Similar to Lang but a better, crisper flavor.

SUI: A newly rediscovered cultivar listed by Frank Meyer

6 NEW RUSSIAN CULTIVARS: 1) Kitaiski 2, 2) Kitaiski 60, 3) Oo Sene Hun, 4) 29-16 TOC, 5) Sovietski, and 6) Ta Yan Tsao (probably Lang)

Richard, we are talking about Jujubes. Go to Bass's website and read. He has a very nice story on why he got rid of his apple trees and switched to growing Jujubes instead.

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Originally Posted by snaglpus
Richard, we are talking about Jujubes. Go to Bass's website and read. He has a very nice story on why he got rid of his apple trees and switched to growing Jujubes instead.


Yes, my post was about the Jujube Li. Why did you feel otherwise?

Ha! Too many Richards! My comment was for Richard Boni, aka figis_66.

I have had a fruiting grafted Li jujube for around twenty years now in the front yard. It holds up well as a small tree in our dry, baking heat in late summer/ early fall and produces an abundance of jujubes each year over several weeks time. At best, they have a delicious, crunchy apple taste, like a ripe Pink Lady. It’s hard to catch them perfectly ripe for eating. They quickly turn to mush and are uneatable. Warning- suckers of the root stock will start appearing all around the tree for around a ten foot radius. I don’t think I’ll ever plant one in the ground again.  I have a Sugar Cane jujube in a pot that I bought last winter, but I don’t know if it survived the heat bake we had last fall. It went dormant and hasn’t sprouted out yet. I don't think I would prefer it over my Wickson crab apple tree, wish I had planted a three in one or four in one planting of other fruit trees in the same space. Figs would love that location. But if I chopped it down, I would be fighting the rootstock suckers for years. 

    A Chinese-American man was delivering packages for UPS a number of years back, and discovered my fruiting Li tree. He made a big fuss over it, said it was my $10,000 tree, and is welcome to come back every year and help himself to jujubes when they are ripe. He said in China the trees are prized for their association with optimal health and a long life. 

Thanks snag. Going to ch3ck it out,with bass

Ok. What would yall plant for fresh eating in Louisiana where summers are long and fall is ,usally hot too. Plus rainy too.

Of course another thing to know about Jujube is that the leaves, bark, roots, etc. are a toxic source of cyanide - and so are the fruits until they are ripe.

Figpig, I would suggest Loquat, depending on just where you are in Louisiana, ensuring that it's one of the newer italian/israeli varieties.  Kaki, pawpaw, Butia capita, fejoia, muscadines, play around with citrus like http://www.woodlanders.net/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.plantDetail&plant_id=2087 and http://www.woodlanders.net/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.plantDetail&plant_id=1836

the trouble with true subtropical climates like ours is that we're too consistently wet to avoid rots and rusts, but not warm enough in the winter to grow many of the things that resists disease with great fruit, and vice versa.

We love jujubes, here's the article that Dennis is referring to. 
http://www.treesofjoy.com/content/jujube

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